low stakes 6max stars sng

[philly and the phanatics]

i am horrible at 6max, heard it is a great skill to add to your repetoire, i consider myself a capable sng player, so i want to translate that to 6max, any comments would be appreciated...obviously hands 8 and 10 are awful so please focus on the rest other than those two, and i ll in turn promise never to make those moves again




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---Tournament Summary---
$3.30 Turbo SNG: Finished 6/6 for $0
Data for 24 hands.
You played 10 hands (41.67%)
You raised 3 times preflop (12.50%)


-----Hand 1-----
Hero's M = 50.00
PokerStars Game #13758581679: Tournament #69823163, $3.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/12/09 - 19:08:03 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '69823163 1' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: petrocon (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: fixin2fold (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: tijsvdhoorn (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: Fadi Najjar (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: Craydar (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: b0bbybythelb (1500 in chips)
fixin2fold: posts small blind 10
tijsvdhoorn: posts big blind 20
Preflop: b0bbybythelb dealt Q Q
Fadi Najjar: calls 20
Craydar: folds
b0bbybythelb: raises 60 to 80

petrocon: calls 80
fixin2fold: folds
tijsvdhoorn: folds
Fadi Najjar: calls 60
Flop: T 8 K
Fadi Najjar: checks
b0bbybythelb: bets 280

petrocon: folds
Fadi Najjar: folds
b0bbybythelb collected 270 from pot
b0bbybythelb: doesn't show hand


Q 8 MP1 (M = 56.33; f+F)
T 3 UTG (M = 56.33; F)

-----Hand 2-----
Hero's M = 56.33
PokerStars Game #13758622517: Tournament #69823163, $3.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/12/09 - 19:10:05 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '69823163 1' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: petrocon (1580 in chips)
Seat 2: fixin2fold (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: tijsvdhoorn (1440 in chips)
Seat 4: Fadi Najjar (1200 in chips)
Seat 5: Craydar (1600 in chips)
Seat 6: b0bbybythelb (1690 in chips)
Craydar: posts small blind 10
b0bbybythelb: posts big blind 20
Preflop: b0bbybythelb dealt 9 K
petrocon: calls 20
fixin2fold: folds
tijsvdhoorn: folds
Fadi Najjar: calls 20
Craydar: calls 10
b0bbybythelb: checks
Flop: K A 8
Craydar: checks
b0bbybythelb: bets 60

petrocon: folds
Fadi Najjar: folds
Craydar: folds
b0bbybythelb collected 80 from pot
b0bbybythelb: doesn't show hand


T K SB (M = 58.33; f+r+c+f+F)
J 4 BU (M = 58.00; c+c+c+F)
6 5 CO (M = 58.00; c+f+F)
7 K MP1 (M = 58.00; c+F)
2 6 UTG (M = 38.67; F)
3 T BB (M = 38.67; r+f+f+f+f+F)

-----Hand 3-----
Hero's M = 38.00
PokerStars Game #13758713262: Tournament #69823163, $3.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/12/09 - 19:14:39 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '69823163 1' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: petrocon (1465 in chips)
Seat 2: fixin2fold (1290 in chips)
Seat 3: tijsvdhoorn (1800 in chips)
Seat 4: Fadi Najjar (1240 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: Craydar (1495 in chips)
Seat 6: b0bbybythelb (1710 in chips)
b0bbybythelb: posts small blind 15
petrocon: posts big blind 30
Preflop: b0bbybythelb dealt K 9
fixin2fold: folds
tijsvdhoorn: folds
Fadi Najjar: folds
Craydar: folds
b0bbybythelb: calls 15
petrocon: checks
Flop: 6 A Q
b0bbybythelb: bets 120

petrocon: folds
b0bbybythelb collected 60 from pot
b0bbybythelb: doesn't show hand


A 8 BU (M = 38.67; c+f+f+F)
7 5 CO (M = 38.67; f+c+F)

-----Hand 4-----
Hero's M = 38.67
PokerStars Game #13758745377: Tournament #69823163, $3.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/12/09 - 19:16:16 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '69823163 1' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: petrocon (1735 in chips)
Seat 2: fixin2fold (1320 in chips)
Seat 3: tijsvdhoorn (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: Fadi Najjar (1240 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: Craydar (1465 in chips)
Seat 6: b0bbybythelb (1740 in chips)
tijsvdhoorn: posts small blind 15
Fadi Najjar: posts big blind 30
Preflop: b0bbybythelb dealt 9 T
Craydar: calls 30
b0bbybythelb: calls 30
petrocon: raises 120 to 150

fixin2fold: calls 150
tijsvdhoorn: folds
Fadi Najjar: folds
Craydar: folds
b0bbybythelb: folds
Flop: 6 8 2
petrocon: bets 210

fixin2fold: calls 210
Turn: 3
petrocon: bets 540

fixin2fold: folds
petrocon collected 825 from pot
petrocon: doesn't show hand
Fadi Najjar has returned


T 6 UTG (M = 38.00; F)
4 6 BB (M = 38.00; r+f+f+f+f+F)
6 A SB (M = 37.33; f+f+r+f+F)

-----Hand 5-----
Hero's M = 22.20
PokerStars Game #13758783477: Tournament #69823163, $3.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/12/09 - 19:18:13 (ET)
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Table '69823163 1' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: petrocon (2185 in chips)
Seat 2: fixin2fold (1350 in chips)
Seat 3: tijsvdhoorn (1485 in chips)
Seat 4: Fadi Najjar (1165 in chips)
Seat 5: Craydar (1150 in chips)
Seat 6: b0bbybythelb (1665 in chips)
petrocon: posts small blind 25
fixin2fold: posts big blind 50
Preflop: b0bbybythelb dealt 2 6
tijsvdhoorn: folds
Fadi Najjar: calls 50
Craydar: folds
b0bbybythelb: calls 50
petrocon: calls 25
fixin2fold: checks
Flop: 6 J 7
petrocon: checks
fixin2fold: checks
Fadi Najjar: bets 200

b0bbybythelb: folds
petrocon: folds
fixin2fold: folds
Fadi Najjar collected 200 from pot



-----Hand 6-----
Hero's M = 21.53
PokerStars Game #13758792054: Tournament #69823163, $3.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/12/09 - 19:18:39 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '69823163 1' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: petrocon (2135 in chips)
Seat 2: fixin2fold (1300 in chips)
Seat 3: tijsvdhoorn (1485 in chips)
Seat 4: Fadi Najjar (1315 in chips)
Seat 5: Craydar (1150 in chips)
Seat 6: b0bbybythelb (1615 in chips)
fixin2fold: posts small blind 25
tijsvdhoorn: posts big blind 50
Preflop: b0bbybythelb dealt T 5
Fadi Najjar: folds
Craydar: folds
b0bbybythelb: raises 150 to 200

petrocon: folds
fixin2fold: calls 175
tijsvdhoorn: folds
Flop: 9 Q 4
fixin2fold: checks
b0bbybythelb: bets 250

fixin2fold: calls 250
Turn: A
fixin2fold: bets 850 and is all-in

b0bbybythelb: folds
fixin2fold collected 950 from pot
fixin2fold: doesn't show hand


6 8 MP1 (M = 15.53; f+F)

-----Hand 7-----
Hero's M = 15.53
PokerStars Game #13758810349: Tournament #69823163, $3.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/12/09 - 19:19:35 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '69823163 1' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: petrocon (2135 in chips)
Seat 2: fixin2fold (1800 in chips)
Seat 3: tijsvdhoorn (1635 in chips)
Seat 4: Fadi Najjar (1115 in chips)
Seat 5: Craydar (1150 in chips)
Seat 6: b0bbybythelb (1165 in chips)
Fadi Najjar: posts small blind 25
Craydar: posts big blind 50
Preflop: b0bbybythelb dealt 6 7
b0bbybythelb: calls 50
petrocon: raises 200 to 250

fixin2fold: folds
tijsvdhoorn: folds
Fadi Najjar: folds
Craydar: calls 200
b0bbybythelb: folds
Flop: T K Q
Craydar: bets 250

petrocon: raises 1635 to 1885 and is all-in

Craydar: calls 650 and is all-in

Turn: T
River: K
Showdown:
Craydar: shows A K (a full house, Kings full of Tens)
petrocon: shows K J (a full house, Kings full of Tens)
Craydar collected 1188 from pot
petrocon collected 1187 from pot



-----Hand 8-----
Hero's M = 14.87
PokerStars Game #13758825119: Tournament #69823163, $3.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/12/09 - 19:20:20 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '69823163 1' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: petrocon (2172 in chips)
Seat 2: fixin2fold (1800 in chips)
Seat 3: tijsvdhoorn (1635 in chips)
Seat 4: Fadi Najjar (1090 in chips)
Seat 5: Craydar (1188 in chips)
Seat 6: b0bbybythelb (1115 in chips)
Craydar: posts small blind 25
b0bbybythelb: posts big blind 50
Preflop: b0bbybythelb dealt 4 2
petrocon: folds
fixin2fold: folds
tijsvdhoorn: folds
Fadi Najjar: calls 50
Craydar: calls 25
b0bbybythelb: checks
Flop: 7 9 6
Craydar: checks
b0bbybythelb: checks
Fadi Najjar: checks
Turn: Q
Craydar: checks
b0bbybythelb: bets 150

Fadi Najjar: calls 150
Craydar: folds
River: 4
b0bbybythelb: bets 300

Fadi Najjar: calls 300
Showdown:
b0bbybythelb: shows 4 2 (a pair of Fours)
Fadi Najjar: shows Q A (a pair of Queens)
Fadi Najjar collected 1050 from pot



-----Hand 9-----
Hero's M = 8.20
PokerStars Game #13758838734: Tournament #69823163, $3.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/12/09 - 19:21:02 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '69823163 1' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: petrocon (2172 in chips)
Seat 2: fixin2fold (1800 in chips)
Seat 3: tijsvdhoorn (1635 in chips)
Seat 4: Fadi Najjar (1640 in chips)
Seat 5: Craydar (1138 in chips)
Seat 6: b0bbybythelb (615 in chips)
b0bbybythelb: posts small blind 25
petrocon: posts big blind 50
Preflop: b0bbybythelb dealt T K
fixin2fold: folds
tijsvdhoorn: calls 50
Fadi Najjar: calls 50
Craydar: folds
b0bbybythelb: calls 25
petrocon: checks
Flop: 3 9 A
b0bbybythelb: checks
petrocon: checks
tijsvdhoorn: checks
Fadi Najjar: bets 150

b0bbybythelb: folds
petrocon: folds
tijsvdhoorn: folds
Fadi Najjar collected 200 from pot



-----Hand 10-----
Hero's M = 7.53
PokerStars Game #13758849365: Tournament #69823163, $3.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/12/09 - 19:21:35 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '69823163 1' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: petrocon (2122 in chips)
Seat 2: fixin2fold (1800 in chips)
Seat 3: tijsvdhoorn (1585 in chips)
Seat 4: Fadi Najjar (1790 in chips)
Seat 5: Craydar (1138 in chips)
Seat 6: b0bbybythelb (565 in chips)
petrocon: posts small blind 25
fixin2fold: posts big blind 50
Preflop: b0bbybythelb dealt K 4
tijsvdhoorn: folds
Fadi Najjar: calls 50
Craydar: folds
b0bbybythelb: raises 515 to 565 and is all-in

petrocon: folds
fixin2fold: calls 515
Fadi Najjar: folds
Flop: 8 Q 9
Turn: Q
River: 5
Showdown:
fixin2fold: shows T K (a pair of Queens)
b0bbybythelb: shows K 4 (a pair of Queens - lower kicker)
fixin2fold collected 1205 from pot



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[IowaSkinsFan]

Short handed sng's still go in the SNG forum, so a mod should move it there. Most of the browsers here aren't qualified to comment on tournaments well.

[donkbee]

yes, tournaments of any type are VERY different from cash in many ways.

[donkbee]

Actually, a lot of players play really differently in a 6-max tournament for some reason. I love 6-max FOs because they're so much fishier; people play way too loose and make a lot of mistakes.

You can open up a little bit, but you shouldn't be overvaluing mediocre hands. If you notice someone at your table is doing that, though, adjust your play and his ranges accordingly.

Push/fold and the like end up being the same as always except you're simply at a shorter table.

I haven't read your HH so I don't know if any of this helps you at all. Just some things I've noticed and believe to be true.

P.S. {moved from SH NLHE}

[Im_new]

I don't know much about 6max SNG, but here's what I think. Overall, I think you're playing too loosely, but I may be wrong.

Hand 3...I don't know about the raise here...

Hand 5...fold PF

Hand 6...I wouldn't play this hand. Fold PF.

Hand 7...I wouldn't limp this at all UTG...Fold PF

Hand 8... very loose play. Don't bet into multiple players with absolutely nothing of a hand, despite the checking on the flop. Especially don't fire a second barrel on the river with bottom pair.

Hand 10... I'm not entirely sure about the numbers on this push, but I don't think they are good. I would fold this PF since there are still 3 players to act, and you still have 11BB to push in a better spot.

[LordoftheIsles]

i am horrible at 6max, heard it is a great skill to add to your repetoire, i consider myself a capable sng player, so i want to translate that to 6max, any comments would be appreciated...obviously hands 8 and 10 are awful so please focus on the rest other than those two, and i ll in turn promise never to make those moves again

Ok, but you have to really promise.

Hand 6 was pretty bad too. An attempt to win 75 in the blinds with T5s ended up costing you 400 chips, 25% of your stack.

I'm not a 6max expert, indeed I hardly ever play them at Stars, so take this with a pinch of salt. Even in a 6 max turbo playing 41% of hands seems a bit high. At least, it does over 24 hands in total, since there is no need to play so many hands in the first 3 levels.

Aggression is good later on, since the rewards are so much greater (bigger blinds to win, getting close to cashing positions).

[mcdonough22]

Hand 5, 6, 7: Fold pre. Too loose.
Hand 8: I dont mind the turn bet, I use this sometimes vs. 2 opps who seem indifferent to the hand. Any calls though and you shut down. River bet is spewage.
Hand 9: With your short stack, you are push/folding now. No calls. This hand is read dependent, if you have any fold equity at all, I'm pushing.
Hand 10: OK, while you are short, you still have 10BB so you dont have to push quite so wide. This is a little too wide for me. I'd rather you pushed the previous hand.

If I've learned anything on this forum from Tai and others, it's that, at least in 3.40s, there is lots of value in playing very tight early. Chip preservation is key. You're not trying to accumulate chips so much as survive. Wait for blinds to be worth something before you try to push the edges. Let a few people bust out and then push/fold your way past the others. Most dont play push/fold very well. If you do and you bust before the blinds get big, you didnt give yourself a chance to see how fishy your opps were.