JJ early 2.75

[karnouk]

Early in the SNG no reads. call or fold?


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Everest Poker Game 2551196074 / Ring Game
Table Maipo-57 -
Blinds : 10/20
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9 players
[SB] enzo31000 (1725)
[BB] Sprillan (1160)
[1] ez_come@tatu (1305)
[2] gauloismoder (970)
[3] pequin (965)
[4] moneycatch (1125)
[5] monkeydl (755)
[6] sinopsycho (760)
[b]joakim94 (1235)

sinopsycho J J Initial Pot: 30

ez_come@tatu folds
gauloismoder folds
pequin raises 40
moneycatch folds
monkeydl folds
sinopsycho raises 100
joakim94 folds
enzo31000 folds
Sprillan calls 80
pequin calls 60
### FLOP ### 2 2 5 Pot: 310
Sprillan bets 310
pequin is All in

[marmot]

meh fold

[donkbee]

Raise to 130 PF and get it in on the flop. In this case call. If it hadn't occurred like this, you would be pushing.

[marmot]

^call really, with the push in front and sprillan quite likely pushing as well ? Can you explain why for me? Thanks

[donkbee]

It's because the ranges of the villains are huge and they will go all in or call a push with 66+ almost 100% of the time at these stakes. Lots of times I've seen villains put in lots of $ even with smaller PPs than that (so 33 or 44 in this case too). For PPs, you're only behind QQ+. They also will likely call off lots of chips with a 5 in their hand as well as the obvious 2.

You can't be that afraid someone has a 2 because a) there are only two more 2's in the deck and b) there aren't THAT many hands someone will call with PF that has a 2 in it. Obviously you can't rule it out, but it is wrong to say "someone has a 2 the majority of the time"

I also think that the action both PF and on the flop shows that neither of the villains has a 2. pequin min raised PF, which rarely means a 2 unless he has A2s or 22. Sprillan bet OOP on the flop, and he bet pretty big. If he had called a 3 bet PF and then flopped trips, would he be betting so large OOP with two people yet to act? 99% of the time, most people with a 2 do not do this.

Of course it would be better if you were HU, which is why I want the OP to reraise a bit more PF. But even 3-way, I really think the villains' ranges are both too big to fold JJ on this flop.

[DetroitHusling101]

Raise 120+ Preflop , and get it in on this flop. Agree with what Courtie said.

[DetroitHusling101]

Here's my reasonable guess of the 2 villians range.
I added in the A big overcards because i constatly see people at the lower limits get it all in with these overcards even if they miss the flop. Pretty common imo.
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.371% 59.37% 00.00% 5188578 0.00 { JcJh }
Hand 1: 20.314% 19.60% 00.71% 1713195 62133.00 { TT-33, AJs+, A5s, A2s, AJo+, A5o, A2o }
Hand 2: 20.314% 19.60% 00.71% 1713195 62133.00 { TT-33, AJs+, A5s, A2s, AJo+, A5o, A2o }

[DetroitHusling101]

Bleh i guess i shouldn't of left out the 3 other overpairs that beat you but AA KK seem unlikely to me.
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.680% 45.16% 00.52% 5452284 62723.00 { JcJh }
Hand 1: 27.160% 26.30% 00.86% 3175174 103877.50 { 33+, AJs+, A5s, A2s, AJo+, A5o, A2o }
Hand 2: 27.160% 26.30% 00.86% 3175174 103877.50 { 33+, AJs+, A5s, A2s, AJo+, A5o, A2o }

[taipan168]

Well said Courtie and Detroit, I agree with what both of you said.