$16 two push hands over one limper

[rowey]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

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MP (t2365)
Hero (t2460)
SB (t3730)
BB (t2280)
UTG (t2665)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4, 4.
UTG calls t200, 1 fold, Hero raises to t2460, SB raises to t3730, 1 fold, UTG folds.

Flop: (t6590) A, 9, 7 (2 players)

Turn: (t6590) T (2 players)

River: (t6590) A (2 players)

Final Pot: t5320

Haven't got a read on UTG unfortunately...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

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CO (t2740)
Button (t1660)
SB (t1495)
BB (t690)
UTG (t3485)
Hero (t2555)
MP2 (t875)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with , .
UTG calls t200, Hero raises to t2555, 5 folds, UTG calls t2355.

Flop: (t5410) , , (2 players)

Turn: (t5410) (2 players)

River: (t5410) (2 players)

Final Pot: t5410

Here UTG has been limping with any two suited or closely connected cards.

[DetroitHusling101]

Meh i don't really like either.
Hand 1 because we have no read. I'd like to know that he has been limping with high blinds a lot and that he can find the fold button. With a read that he limps at high blinds a lot and theres a good chance he will fold i dont mind it but i probabally go with something like 66+
Hand 2: I don't like because we have 5 people left to act. Other than that it's not that bad w/read on UTG. I would much rather do this from the BU/SB/BB.

[taipan168]

I agree with Detroit. I doubt that Hand 1 is a good shove even without UTG limping, so I like it even less with UTG in the hand.

Hand 2 I fold because there are 5 players still left to act. Again this would not be a good shove even if it was folded to you.

[Muzzard]

Hand 1
Your stack is OK to call preflop and hope to see a cheap flop. Equally you could just fold this. I deffo don't like a push.

Hand 2
Just fold, I fold this EZ all day. With or without the limper.

[taipan168]

Hand 1
Your stack is OK to call preflop and hope to see a cheap flop. Equally you could just fold this. I deffo don't like a push.

I would only ever do this if I was sure that the blinds were very very passive, because if either of them raises we just fried 200 chips for nothing. I usually never limp once blinds hit 50/100 unless there's a specific reason for doing so (eg. limp/re-raise with AA with a known aggressive player or completing the SB with lots of limpers in front).

[Muzzard]

Hand 1
Your stack is OK to call preflop and hope to see a cheap flop. Equally you could just fold this. I deffo don't like a push.

I would only ever do this if I was sure that the blinds were very very passive, because if either of them raises we just fried 200 chips for nothing. I usually never limp once blinds hit 50/100 unless there's a specific reason for doing so (eg. limp/re-raise with AA with a known aggressive player or completing the SB with lots of limpers in front).

Ok so fold>call>push!

[taipan168]

Agreed, but:

Ok so fold>>>>>>call>push!

[sk8r_daniel]

This might be a donkish thing to ask...but what about raising about 4xBB?

[taipan168]

This might be a donkish thing to ask...but what about raising about 4xBB?

No such thing as a silly question. The problem with raising 4x BB is that we're investing 1/3 of our stack preflop when we only hit a K or Q on the flop about 1/3 of the time, and it builds a pot such that if we miss the flop and want to c-bet we'll be pot committed.

The other problem with making it 4x BB is that there are 5 players left to act ; if CO shoves we have to fold, if any of the others shove we are priced in to call.