Another AQ 6.50

[DetroitHusling101]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG (t1545)
UTG+1 (t2860)
MP1 (t1430)
Hero (t1450)
CO (t1440)
Button (t1825)
SB (t1470)
BB (t1480)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, Q.
3 folds, Hero raises to t120, 1 fold, Button calls t120, 2 folds.

Flop: (t285) J, 4, K (2 players)
Hero bets t180, Button calls t180.

Turn: (t645) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t330, Hero?

[badgers]

Call, shove any T or Diamond river, c/f everything else.

[kmind]

Call, shove any T or Diamond river, c/f everything else.

I agree...if an Ace spikes I still c/f because this should scare him if he only has a pair.

[Vice]

Ok, he has to call on the turn but what how should he act if a diamond, A or T comes on the river? Shoving might be too obvoius since Hero checked on the turn. I think Hero should bet 300-400 and hope for a raise by the button.

[badgers]

Ok, he has to call on the turn but what how should he act if a diamond, A or T comes on the river? Shoving might be too obvoius since Hero checked on the turn. I think Hero should bet 300-400 and hope for a raise by the button.

You could do that if you dislike money.

You will get raised by a very small % of the time and villain will only fold a few more times to a shove than he will to a 300-400 bet. So basically, you lose a ton of value.

[kmind]

Vice - there are times when betting small to induce a raise is fine but this is not one of them. Badgers explains it pretty well why open shoving is good here. Remember, an open-push is less than a pot size bet and most villains at these stakes who took this flop and turn line will call any bet. Might as well get the max.

[DetroitHusling101]

I called.
If i would have hit my gutshot or flush i would have shoved river for sure.
I didn't hit anything , so i check/folded river.
Just wasn't sure about calling or folding the turn since i can't really confidently count the 3 aces as outs.

[taipan168]

Call, shove any T or Diamond river, c/f everything else.

At first I was going to say C-R AI on the turn, but I think I like badgers' line better. Allows us to get away with a short but still playable stack if we miss the river.

[Vice]

I still do not agree now that I have calculated the stacks on the river - hero has about 800 and the button has 1200. If Hero goes all in in case the river hits him, (and he has his opponent beat!), I really do not see how the button could call (unles he is a complete morron). That is why I believe a value bet of 300-400 is more likely to get called since the button could afford to lose this money and to still have a chance in the tourney with 800 chips left.

[kmind]

i'm too tired to do any math but from experience villain may not call a push as much as a lower sized bet but over the long run it should be +EV. Most opponents at these stakes aren't really thinking about more things (such as their stack after the hand/hero's range) so they say "well i have TPanyK, time to felt it!!"

[taipan168]

The issue with betting small here is the pot size. If Hero just calls the turn there will be 1305 chips in the pot on the river. If Hero makes his hand on the river and shoves his remaining 820 chips then that is not even a pot-sized bet. As badgers said it would be very very very rare that opp would fold to a 820 shove but shove over a 400 bet. What will happen if you bet small is that opp will likely just call losing us a ton of value.

[Vice]

I see your point and I think in that case it really depends on your judgement of what the opp will do.