JJ Hand (6.50)

[ppostie]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 (t1340)
MP1 (t1580)
MP2 (t2110)
Hero (t1470)
Button (t1370)
SB (t1360)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t2770)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J, J.
UTG calls t20, 2 folds, MP2 calls t20, Hero raises to t140 *Good amount?*, 1 fold, SB calls t130, 1 fold, UTG calls t120, MP2 calls t120.

Flop: (t580) 6, A, 6 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets t400 *Size?*, SB folds, UTG folds, MP2 calls t400.

Turn: (t1380) T (2 players)
Mp2 Checks
Hero: ??? (I have 930 left)

[zachaser]

Preflop: Your raise bloats the pop unnecessarily. If your standard raise is 3-4BB, add 1BB for each limper, and you have a 100-120 raise.
Flop: Don't bet this flop with 3 players in, even if it is checked to you. Most likely someone has an Ace.
Turn: Just check behind and hope for a free showdown. When you bet you are essentially bluffing; the only worse hand that might call is a stubborn pair of tens or nines, but even that's not likely. If villain bets anymore on river, fold.

[Vice]

The only thing I can comment on is the flop - I tend to just limp with JJ early in the sng specifically for the reason I am likely to get many callers even if I bet something like 6-7BB as it happened in you game. That`s why I just limp with jacks and hope to hit a set or see low cards on the flop.

[FlyingSaucy]

Super easy check the turn.
Check fold the flop
Good raise preflop.

[Vice]

Ok FlyingSaucy please explain why you think it is good to raise with JJ on the preflop in early stage (bb=20) in $6.50 sng? This raise will not reduce your opponents very much, it is very likely to have at least 3 opps. Also, ace, king or queen will hit the flop more than half of the times. I really do not think there is value in raising preflop.

[badgers]

Ok FlyingSaucy please explain why you think it is good to raise with JJ on the preflop in early stage (bb=20) in $6.50 sng? This raise will not reduce your opponents very much, it is very likely to have at least 3 opps. Also, ace, king or queen will hit the flop more than half of the times. I really do not think there is value in raising preflop.

JJ is the 4th/5th best hand in holdem. If a 6-7BB raise isn't going to narrow the field enough, bet more! It can only be good to get more money in with a favourite hand preflop here.

Playing JJ for set value loses so much value as we flop all unders so frequently and ppl love stacking off with top pair.

[DetroitHusling101]

Ok FlyingSaucy please explain why you think it is good to raise with JJ on the preflop in early stage (bb=20) in $6.50 sng? This raise will not reduce your opponents very much, it is very likely to have at least 3 opps. Also, ace, king or queen will hit the flop more than half of the times. I really do not think there is value in raising preflop.

I disagree. I 100% always raise JJ preflop at any level.
If your gonna limp and put your stack in a multiway pot with all low cards i think your looking for trouble , I much rather get my stack in with all undercards in a RAISED pot.

[Vice]

My specific point here is rasing big preflop with JJ in early stages in the tourny when the BB is still under 100. You are putting yourself in big trouble if you do that. I mean, how are you supposed to play JJ against 2-3 opps and there is Q and/or K on the flop!? The pot will be like around 700 and you will have a really tough decision in front of you. Donks with Q8 will be paying you off until the river unles you go all-in, which is also risky, cause they might pay you with crap even then.

[badgers]

My specific point here is rasing big preflop with JJ in early stages in the tourny when the BB is still under 100. You are putting yourself in big trouble if you do that. I mean, how are you supposed to play JJ against 2-3 opps and there is Q and/or K on the flop!? The pot will be like around 700 and you will have a really tough decision in front of you. Donks with Q8 will be paying you off until the river unles you go all-in, which is also risky, cause they might pay you with crap even then.

If need be then check/fold but you should still be delighted that you got so much money in preflop with the best hand. Playing JJ for set value early is losing so much value.

[FlyingSaucy]

I thought there would be more controversy on my check/fold the flop given that you have position. Although that is a whole different subject that has been well supported and detailed in other threads.

[taipan168]

My specific point here is rasing big preflop with JJ in early stages in the tourny when the BB is still under 100. You are putting yourself in big trouble if you do that. I mean, how are you supposed to play JJ against 2-3 opps and there is Q and/or K on the flop!? The pot will be like around 700 and you will have a really tough decision in front of you. Donks with Q8 will be paying you off until the river unles you go all-in, which is also risky, cause they might pay you with crap even then.

From memory you flop an overpair about 48% of the time with JJ, and you flop a set another 11.8% of the time, so about 60% of the time you're way ahead of whatever crap they have. Also, if they are such donks, why not get more money in the pot with the best hand preflop, and build a pot so that when the flop comes 972 the idiot who called your raise with Q9 pays you off with their whole stack rather than just part of it?