QQ A High Flop V SS (6.50)

[DetroitHusling101]

Make it 300 preflop opposed to 260?
Call turn bet with intentions of folding to a river shove or is that just spewy?
I figured there could be some chance he would check to me on the river if he does not have the Ace.
Villian is donkish and called down with middle pair in a pot to lose his chips , not sure if i should have layed this down on the river. Vs. this kind of opponent should i just get it all in with any flop?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero (t1500)
CO (t1490)
Button (t1430)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t2040)
UTG+1 (t1100)
MP1 (t1460)
MP2 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q, Q.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t80, 2 folds, Hero raises to t260, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls t180.

Flop: (t550) A, 2, 7 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t550) J (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t260, Hero calls t260.

River: (t1070) 8 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t560, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1070

[DetroitHusling101]

Getting 3:1 on the call I'm starting to think if I'm willing to call the turn than i should be calling the river shove too.
My main reason for folding was if I'm beat , 1000 chips gives me a lot of room to still play opposed to 500.

[taipan168]

Preflop is fine, I would typically raise about 250 here.

On the flop, check behind is good. I'm torn as to what to do on the turn, whether to just give it up or to call as you did. If you call the turn, I give it up on the river, you are almost never good here.

[henriquebs]

On the flop, check behind is good. I'm torn as to what to do on the turn, whether to just give it up or to call as you did. If you call the turn, I give it up on the river, you are almost never good here.

If you c-bet in the flop, like 2/3 from the pot, isn´t easier to kwon if you are beaten or no? Check behind in the flop gives your enemy a chance to bluff you with an PP lower than yours, don´t you think? And I think that betting on the flop you don´t spent too many cheaps, if he just calls, you check behind in the turn or fold if he bets, and if he reraises you on the flop, you can let it go.

[taipan168]

If you c-bet in the flop, like 2/3 from the pot, isn´t easier to kwon if you are beaten or no? Check behind in the flop gives your enemy a chance to bluff you with an PP lower than yours, don´t you think? And I think that betting on the flop you don´t spent too many cheaps, if he just calls, you check behind in the turn or fold if he bets, and if he reraises you on the flop, you can let it go.

The problem here is that it is a way ahead/way behind situation unless opp has a flush draw - and the only hand that really makes sense is something like K Q. Opp just called your preflop re-raise so Ax is very very much within his range (meaning you're way behind). If opp has a lower pocket pair like 99, then you're way ahead - and betting will fold him out when if you check he might bet. The problem here is that you have no idea whether you are way ahead or way behind and betting will not necessarily give you this information.

A much more in depth discussion of this point is in the following classic post: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-21766.htm

[henriquebs]

The problem here is that it is a way ahead/way behind situation unless opp has a flush draw - and the only hand that really makes sense is something like K Q. Opp just called your preflop re-raise so Ax is very very much within his range (meaning you're way behind). If opp has a lower pocket pair like 99, then you're way ahead - and betting will fold him out when if you check he might bet. The problem here is that you have no idea whether you are way ahead or way behind and betting will not necessarily give you this information.

I agrre that it is a way ahead/behind situation, but i think that with a bet in the flop, you will know where you are. With an Ace, he can only calls, but i Think it is difficult, because he wanna know here he is too. If he is on the draw, you will know in the turn with his check, dont you think?

[taipan168]

The problem here is that it is a way ahead/way behind situation unless opp has a flush draw - and the only hand that really makes sense is something like K Q. Opp just called your preflop re-raise so Ax is very very much within his range (meaning you're way behind). If opp has a lower pocket pair like 99, then you're way ahead - and betting will fold him out when if you check he might bet. The problem here is that you have no idea whether you are way ahead or way behind and betting will not necessarily give you this information.

I agrre that it is a way ahead/behind situation, but i think that with a bet in the flop, you will know where you are. With an Ace, he can only calls, but i Think it is difficult, because he wanna know here he is too. If he is on the draw, you will know in the turn with his check, dont you think?

OK, say you bet the flop for 300 and opp calls. Where are you now?

The pot is 1150 on the turn, opp checks and you check behind. On the river the pot is still 1150 and opp shoves for his remaining 540 chips. You are getting better than 3:1 on the call. What do you do?

My point is, by checking behind you can keep hands you beat in play whilst minimising your losses if opp does have the A. I don't think you need to "bet to find out where you stand" on the flop - if opp bets big on the turn you can fold knowing you're beat without losing any more chips, if opp checks both the turn and river you know you're very likely ahead.

Betting "to see where you're at" is not a good reason to bet. You should bet because you think you have the best hand and want to get more money in the pot or because you think opp is likely to fold.