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AA BUBBLE ZOMG FOLD PREFLOP (6.50)

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    Default AA BUBBLE ZOMG FOLD PREFLOP (6.50)

    Kidding.
    I must hate value though , right?
    I've been agressive on the bubble pushing , so i figured if he had SOME type of hand and not a complete steal he may call.
    Flatting and checking flop would have been better though , right?

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    Button (t2495)
    SB (t4900)
    Hero (t2140)
    UTG (t3965)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A.
    2 folds, SB raises to t625, Hero raises to t2140, SB folds.

    Final Pot: t1300
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    Default Re: AA BUBBLE ZOMG FOLD PREFLOP (6.50)

    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHusling101
    I've been agressive on the bubble pushing , so i figured if he had SOME type of hand and not a complete steal he may call.
    Flatting and checking flop would have been better though , right?
    Since you've been aggressive on the bubble pushing, don't you think a flat call for like 30% of your stack would look awfully suspicious? Certainly if I was SB I would have a) put you AI preflop in the first place and b) if you just flat called my standard raise I would shut down unless I flopped a monster hand.

    My standard play here would be to shove over, I tend to agree with you that if he has some kind of a hand he'll call.
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    Nh, standard.
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    This is a situation when I dont mind a flat call preflop inducing him to bluff the flop


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    I think it is pretty much player specific. Vs. a bad player i think TLR's line (and what i kinda wish i did do) would be best , because fortunatly for me TAI (well unfortunate because you woulda shoved into me , snap call woohooo gg) , 6.50 players are not as good as you , and i should have assumed by his raise instead of shove that he was not the best and gave flatting a try. If he is indeed a bad player he more than likely won't find it too suspicious and he will take a shot at the pot , or maybe hit TP or something (or he could hit 2 pr , and i could post the hand in bad beats gg me.) So i guess there's a good argument for either play , but of course shoving over is standard.
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    You played it fine. With SB having 5k in chips and the fact that this is blind vs blind, its a push. SB could think you are just defending your blind with an average hand and call you with a pretty wide range. I don't think this is player specific really...flat calling seems like fancy play syndrome to me
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by fjuanl
    You played it fine, dont try to get tricky. With SB having 5k in chips and the fact that this is blind vs blind, its a push. SB could think you are just defending your blind with an average hand and call you with a pretty wide range. I don't think this is player specific really...unless you find a player who will go broke with virtually any hand postflop yet plays like a total nit preflop (I don't think I've seem a player like that). Flat calling seems like fancy play syndrome to me
    I dont think it is a fancy play syndrom.
    It is heads up pot and your goal should be to extract as much money as you can from villian.
    Whether or not the best way to do it is to reraise preflop or to call and hope he will c-bet the flop is a bit player dependant.

    If I think the best way to get villian to put money in the pot in this case is to call and hope they will bet the flop (not an unreasonable play for a lot of players) I will do so, taking the risk that villian will hit two pair or better, which does not happen often. If villian checks the flop I am betting it


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    Quote Originally Posted by givememyleg
    Nh, standard.

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    I agree that flat calling might extract a little more chips from some players who are stealing with trash. Even though this is AA, I feel like protecting your hand is more important since this is a SnG and its on the bubble. I don't really feel comfortable getting my money in if villian picks up a draw or pair on the flop. Being on the bubble you should have plenty of opportunities to pick up chips without showdowns. The goal in SnGs is to get ITM (due to prize structure), and flat calling preflop increases your chances of bubbling
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    OK I have a question about this hand. Why is pushing the standard play here? It is already down to you and him since you are the last to act pre-flop. If he is trying to steal the blinds you induce him to try the flop anyway, where you will likely have the best hand, or he folds anyway which is what he would do if you pushed anyhow.

    Now if he has a hand he planed on calling you all-in on anyway he'll probably just raise (since you would be pot commited) or call. I have a hard time believing he would fold to a non-all in raise if he has a hand he was planing on playing anyway.

    Of course there is the chance he won't call your all in bet at a later point in the hand, so I guess it comes down to, if you raise, will you induce a partial bluff to keep playing more often then you end up not getting your chips in the pot. Also if your going to go all-in anyway does it matter if the chips hit the pot pre-flop or flop (assuming a situation like this were where will only be two players at most reguardless)?

    Just a question, I'm not claiming to know what I'm talking about here.
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    Pushing is standard because hero flat-calling for 25% of his stack looks a lot stronger than a push, especially with the table image DH probably has.

    Its nice to think that Opp will bluff flop (or even hit), but all bar the worst players see a call here for the trap it is.
    Just dipping my toes back in.

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