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 Originally Posted by Ragnar4
against 2 players with any two random cards you're a coinflip favorite. Right?
I'm making the argument that perhaps folding PF and hoping that the Big Stack knocks out the small stack is just as profitable here. The reason is that small stacks calling range is HUGE, in fact properly played, small stacks calling range is ATC.
Meaning that large stacks range is so phenominally ahead of small stack, that he's more than a 2-1 favorite over small stack all the time. Not to mention small stack needs tou double through 3 times versus the large stack in order to gain the lead.
One of the tiltboys over at their website talks about making high profile laydowns with premium hands because of the marginal opportunity of moving up in money by a substantial amount, or getting heads up in a tournament situatoin.
That said, I would call AI instantly. But just some food for thought.
No, no and no. No no no. We aren't against two random hands, there has to be some ranges (and even if we were, AA is is 71% against 2 randoms). Folding is never correct or just as profitable here and there is no argument.
There really isn't such thing as a huge favorite, and there is no way to assume he is. It's hard to be worse than a 4:1 dog in this game when it gets all-in preflop, and it's probably closer to 3:1. I agree the shorties range is huge, but that's not what we're worried about. If the big stack knows anything, he can shove almost atc here correctly because hero needs a huge hand to call with the short stack in (something like AA!)
Sure you can hope the big stack knocks him out, but what happens when he doubles up? Even if you just knew somehow that you would be heads up if you folded this, and the shortie would bust, you still shouldn't fold. Why would you rather guarantee second place going into heads up a 2:1 dog, rather than having a very very good chance at being a dominating chip lead hu (or still 3way of shortie survives)? It's just bad thinking when it comes to poker. You're in the money now play for the win.
Folding here is just so terrible it makes my head hurt. Even just considering folding this is making my head hurt. The fact that this thread exits is making it explode. It's ACE ACE and you have to call all-in, the work has been done for you, say thank you, and maybe something along the lines of "all you can eat, baby." The only way I might fold is if 2nd place paid more than 1st, or if by folding I was awarded with x-ray vision.... that would be fun!
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