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  1. 02-05-2008 10:25 AM #1
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    Default $200nl - I suck at Aces

    MP3 is loose/passive.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    SB ($195)
    BB ($164)
    UTG ($42.50)
    Hero ($236.75)
    MP1 ($181.30)
    MP2 ($197)
    MP3 ($207.85)
    CO ($35)
    Button ($270)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, A.
    UTG raises to $4, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, MP3 calls $10, 4 folds, UTG calls $6.

    Flop: ($33) 7, J, 6 (3 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $28, MP3 raises to $56, UTG calls $32.50 (All-In), Hero ...

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    Your 3-bet amount sucks. Make it $12-$14. If they fold too much open up your 3-bet range. If you're too scared to 3-bet a wider range an appropriate amount when it's called for, then you don't deserve action when you 3-bet your premium hands. You'll have to settle for overall reduced action when you have a hand.

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    over how many hands do you have him? Could be a set, I'd call for set value pf seeing as how your stack is pretty large. What do you guys think about a re-raise here? If a LP is betting/reraising , would you say it's generally a monster?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rondavu
    Your 3-bet amount sucks. Make it $12-$14. If they fold too much open up your 3-bet range. If you're too scared to 3-bet a wider range an appropriate amount when it's called for, then you don't deserve action when you 3-bet your premium hands. You'll have to settle for overall reduced action when you have a hand.

    Sorry so harsh. Tough love.
    No offense taken. The seemingly small size of the 3-bet is because of the size of the min-raiser's stack, and my normal 3-bet against a min-raise is $14 with 100bb stacks. I figured that when it comes back around to the min-raiser, regardless of the other action, then I induce more mistakes with my 3-betting range from that player than if I raise to my normal $14.

    In retrospect, I think a major flaw of my preflop play here is that it sets up spots where everyone left in the hand besides the min-raiser has excellent implied odds on me, plus position for the majority of villains. I feel like the mistakes I induce from the short stack are outweighed by the total shit-storm I set up for myself to play against post-flop.

    The source of all of this is that I've been digging through that book Professional No-Limit and trying to set up some SPR ratios that I think will play well in certain spots, especially 3-bet pots, but I'm starting to think that there is a pretty big flaw in playing this way because in general it makes your preflop betting tip your hand way too much. However, I don't think that particular flaw is what gives me problems here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetlemon69
    over how many hands do you have him?
    ? Curious. Also did you factor in post flop aggression when considering him a loose passive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetlemon69
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    over how many hands do you have him?
    ? Curious. Also did you factor in post flop aggression when considering him a loose passive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow
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    over how many hands do you have him?
    ? Curious. Also did you factor in post flop aggression when considering him a loose passive?
    Yep
    How much do you extrapolate post-flop play from pre-flop play? Seems that could be a little dangerous to assume that a 50/5 is going to necessarily be loose passive postflop...

    I've started to user PAHud's "aggression flop frequency" and "folded to flop bet" a lot more as I used to pretty much just use the PF numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow
    Quote Originally Posted by Rondavu
    Your 3-bet amount sucks. Make it $12-$14. If they fold too much open up your 3-bet range. If you're too scared to 3-bet a wider range an appropriate amount when it's called for, then you don't deserve action when you 3-bet your premium hands. You'll have to settle for overall reduced action when you have a hand.

    Sorry so harsh. Tough love.
    No offense taken. The seemingly small size of the 3-bet is because of the size of the min-raiser's stack
    Ignore the small stacking bastards, concentrate on the full stacks behind you.
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