JJ overpair, faced with flop shove

[eugmac]

NL $25 No Limit Holdem - *** 02 07 15:55:58 2008
Table Casablanca (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 10: biegler ( $24.75 )
Seat 1: clydeone ( $22.6 )
Seat 2: UKSteve ( $6.01 )
Seat 3: feendish ( $25.92 )
Seat 4: Kult1986 ( $12.86 )
Seat 5: winsel ( $17.41 )
Seat 6: witten15 ( $41.4 )
Seat 7: andyjon1 ( $16.08 )
Seat 8: link100 ( $24.57 )
Seat 9: eugnak ( $23.88 )
witten15 posts small blind [$0.12].
andyjon1 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to eugnak [ Js Jd ]
link100 folds.
eugnak raises [$1].
biegler folds.
clydeone calls [$1].
UKSteve folds.
feendish folds.
Kult1986 folds.
winsel calls [$1].
witten15 folds.
andyjon1 calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, 3h, 4h ]
andyjon1 bets [$0.25].
eugnak raises [$3.5].
clydeone folds.
winsel goes All-in [$16.41].
andyjon1 folds.
eugnak ??

[eugmac]

by the way, no reads, yet.

[XTR1000]

dude this hands sucks. Id probably call, but I´m a station

[d0zer]

without a good read of 'maniac' on villain I think I've gotta let this go. The push is too much of a huge overbet to be gambling this much with only jacks when what appeared to be three sethunters saw the flop.

Maybe I'm too much of a nit though...

[eugmac]

ya and the presence of wheel and flush draws convinced me to call (like, imagine opp holding 55), but maybe that wasn't a good reason vs the typical opponents at 25NL where I play - not many know to be aggressive with a draw.

I guess 88 or 99 would just flat call the flop? I always get so lost with JJ and it's losing bigtime the last 4000 hands!

[Dave K]

I think i would fold here. I don't think it is likely he is doing this with a draw unless combo like Ax hearts. Your are either crushed or 50/50

[Thnkbtt]

I would also fold, not really a good hand to take a chance on.

[Fnord]

Draw heavy board and I see no reason to think he's got a better hand than us.

[Jimmy Mac]

I'm definitly calling this getting ~2-1 pot odds. So many draws can push this flop. Don't give random donks too much credit!

[d0zer]

I'm definitly calling this getting ~2-1 pot odds. So many draws can push this flop. Don't give random donks too much credit!

Board: 2d 3h 4h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.545% 51.77% 01.77% 50230 1719.50 { JdJs }
Hand 1: 46.455% 44.68% 01.77% 43351 1719.50 { 22+, AJs+, AQo+ }



...yeah ok I'm with yah

[samuel090]

My first thought would be he's protecting a set.

With no real read on him or how he's been playing i think folding would be the best move.

In my experience at these levels, i rarely see people play draws aggressively.
I think it would either be a set or an over pair to the board in which case you have him crushed.

This situation wouldn't happen often enough to worry about how you play it so id definately say give him credit for the set and be patient.