ye olde over-raise

[drmcboy]

Early, stars 100 deep stack freeze

He got his chips calling pre flop and I think making a set/river boat but there was no show down. One other time he raised pre (4x) had not seen him re raise before this. I don't think I had played a pot yet

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

CO (t3340)
Button (t3220)
SB (t3860)
BB (t2840)
UTG (t2950)
Hero (t2910)
MP1 (t5845)
MP2 (t1950)
MP3 (t3015)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , .
1 fold, Hero raises to t100, 5 folds, SB raises to t720, 1 fold, Hero ??

[chardrian]

Can you reasonably put him on AQ? If so, puuuuush. If not, I think a fold is fine in this spot.

(p.s. - to me that huge overbet weighs more towards putting AQ in his range, but some players are only sneaky this way with AA, KK - it's just a note you need to make).

[drmcboy]

Can you reasonably put him on AQ? If so, puuuuush. If not, I think a fold is fine in this spot.

Early, stars 100 deep stack freeze

He got his chips calling pre flop and I think making a set/river boat but there was no show down. One other time he raised pre (4x) had not seen him re raise before this. I don't think I had played a pot yet

This is the 'read' I had, does it indicate to you whether or not he would do this with AQ?

[chardrian]

Early is always tough. The fact that he is re-raising 7x your raise indicates go away more than it does call or come over the top.

I don't see how pushing here can be considered horrible. I don't see how folding can be considered horrible either.

I generally think AK is gonna have to hold up well throughout a tourney for you to FT it, so might as well hold up early.

[cobere]

I really don't see this 7x RR very often at all. I agree it indicates "go away please" more than it indicates strength. I think it is equivalent to the 4-5x EP raise that says "I got AQ/JJ/TT and I don't know how to play it postflop"

[johnny_fish]

you're up against at least TT+/AK and have 0 FE. Fold.

[mcatdog]

Easy easy fold, if you shove QQ+ in this spot then you're kicking this player's ass in the long run.

[cobere]

Johnny AK vs TT+/AK is 60/40 am I missing something? If this is the case and there's 865 in the pot isnt this an autoshove?

[mcatdog]

Yeah, you don't get to count the SB's 720 chips as dead money.

[cobere]

You don't?? I think yes you do. Its money already bet, that forms the basis of your decision. True its not like some guy comes in and calls/folds to a reraise, not dead like that, but its still money already bet and in the pot.

what are you going to do .. calculate your odds including what he's already bet? That ain't right.

[bjsaust]

You get to count 100 of his 720, as thats the only dead money.

[johnny_fish]

AK vs TT+/AK is 40/60 not 60/40

And yeah, don't count the 720. You're risking 2810 to win 5850 so you need 48% equity (assuming he never folds to a push).

[chardrian]

AK vs TT+/AK is 40/60 not 60/40

And yeah, don't count the 720. You're risking 2810 to win 5850 so you need 48% equity (assuming he never folds to a push).

but he does fold to a push there sometimes. Which is why a push is definitely not that bad (I still think that AQ (especially suited) is in opp's range enough for the push to be fine).

[mcatdog]

a push is definitely not that bad (I still think that AQ (especially suited) is in opp's range enough for the push to be fine).

OK, if you give him AQs then it's not quite that bad as if you just give him TT+, AK, but...why do it?

[chardrian]

because it actually is in the range??

For someone who likes to call a lot, I find it a little odd that you think including AQ is crazy.

[Sprayed]

Next time, hurry and check the guy on OPR. If he has a -ROI, get your chips in.

Seriously though, since this is fairly early and you don't have any read that leans to him having AQ in his range, I think that it's a fold. I would love to call though.

What is Rizen's saying? Something about small mistake or something? Can't remember. I fold.