couple hands from $5 360 max

[CorbinDallas]

PokerStars Game #15206559270: Tournament #77003806, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (600/1200) - 2008/02/11 - 03:19:21 (ET)
Table '77003806 23' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: DynawgHD03 (5569 in chips)
Seat 2: jerdood (10625 in chips)
Seat 4: Joeeek (17184 in chips)
Seat 5: marly123 (7640 in chips)
Seat 6: obrienboy698 (16071 in chips)
Seat 7: tonto102 (32942 in chips)
Seat 8: TheQisSilent (13616 in chips)
Seat 9: pkz1 (13563 in chips)
DynawgHD03: posts the ante 125
jerdood: posts the ante 125
Joeeek: posts the ante 125
marly123: posts the ante 125
obrienboy698: posts the ante 125
tonto102: posts the ante 125
TheQisSilent: posts the ante 125
pkz1: posts the ante 125
marly123: posts small blind 600
obrienboy698: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jerdood [Ts 8s]
Joeeek said, "thx obrien"
tonto102: folds
TheQisSilent: folds
pkz1: folds
DynawgHD03: folds
jerdood: calls 1200
Joeeek: calls 1200
marly123: calls 600
obrienboy698: checks
*** FLOP *** [8h 2h Td]
marly123: checks
obrienboy698: checks
jerdood: bets 1600
Joeeek: calls 1600
marly123: folds
obrienboy698: folds
*** TURN *** [8h 2h Td] [8c]
????

im thinking i should just bet out 3200-3600 range again. if he is drawing he might call again... building the pot. if i check and he checks behind and misses the river then i don't make anymore.

basic i guess.... but is that correct?

[drmcboy]

fold pre, or shove, or maybe even raise if they are super rocks, but you just CANNOT call here. If you had a lot more chips (and so did the table, 30k+) and there were already limpers, limping would be more reasonable. Or if you're opening you could raise with more chips. But this is not OK. It's hardly even about T8, with 10BBs you're done limping except for maybe a slow played AA. What was the plan if someone raised?


Bet close to pot on the flop, there are a ton of draws, it's multiway, and you can often get action from Tx and PPs (these are hands people limp a lot). Then turn would be easy shove.

[CorbinDallas]

despite most of the table being short stacked... no one was attacking limpers. everyone was waiting around for monsters it seemed. limping wasn't happening alot... but when it did, the limpers were very rarely getting raised. so i thought i could get away with it on the cutoff.

so... i had been really card dead... and wanted to see a flop with a hand that could flop a draw... so i could get it all in at that point.

my thinking was... doubling up from 10625 is 21250. doubling up from 9425 is 18850.... not a big difference.

[drmcboy]

everyone was waiting around for monsters it seemed.

then raise

also, the more conservative everyone is, the less likely it becomes that you can double up in a limped pot.

doubling up from 10625 is 21250. doubling up from 9425 is 18850

you should consider where this leads.

It doesn't at all matter that you have been card dead, except that maybe you'll get more respect raising. If you're bored, play more tables.

[chardrian]

I agree with everything dr says.

postflop your weak lead is alright I guess given you have less than 10x BBs and flopped top two. But if you're gonna weak lead I would just minbet.

Turn you have to check. The pot is now about the same as your stack. You hit gin. Since you bet weak on flop you need to look as if you were just trying to steal and now are giving up. If villain bites and bets turn, you can either c/r all-in or just call and push river. If he doesn't bite than push river.

I guess another minbet on turn isn't horrible either.

[CorbinDallas]

POKERSTARS GAME #15206582762: TOURNAMENT #77003806, $5.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL XII (600/1200) - 2008/02/11 - 03:22:05 (ET)
Table '77003806 23' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: DynawgHD03 (6544 in chips)
Seat 2: jerdood (16200 in chips)
Seat 4: Joeeek (16559 in chips)
Seat 5: marly123 (5815 in chips)
Seat 6: obrienboy698 (13646 in chips)
Seat 7: tonto102 (33317 in chips)
Seat 8: TheQisSilent (13991 in chips)
Seat 9: pkz1 (11138 in chips)
DynawgHD03: posts the ante 125
jerdood: posts the ante 125
Joeeek: posts the ante 125
marly123: posts the ante 125
obrienboy698: posts the ante 125
tonto102: posts the ante 125
TheQisSilent: posts the ante 125
pkz1: posts the ante 125
DynawgHD03: posts small blind 600
jerdood: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jerdood [As 5c]
Joeeek: folds
marly123: folds
obrienboy698: calls 1200
tonto102: folds
TheQisSilent: calls 1200
pkz1: folds
DynawgHD03: folds
jerdood: checks
*** FLOP *** [3s 5s 9s]
jerdood: ???

obvious check raise/shove? villains are not deep... i don't have the nuts yet... but i'm not folding to anything. can i check call... check raise turn? what's the best thing here? just bet out?

is A5o a good hand to steal shove from BB? they're short stacked and pretty bad.

[ChrisTheFish]

Meh, This is $5 tourney, people love to call.

I think this is a B/C on the flop. C/R works too

[johnny_fish]

I push both hands pre.

[Sprayed]

First hand, push preflop. You don't have the stack to be limping and playing post flop. You're waisting the power of your stack which is FE. Just get it in pre.

Second hand, I shove preflop if the limpers have been doing this quite often. Again, FE is in your favor here and there are a lot of chips in the pot to take down pre. Not to mention that your hand might be ahead of their limping ranges. In other words, not in bad shape if you get a call.