Level 2 QQ Vs. Albatross77 6.50

[DetroitHusling101]

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1460)
MP1 (t1570)
MP2 (t1480)
MP3 (t1470)
CO (t1670)
Button (t1400)
SB (t1470)
BB (t1480)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q.
Hero raises to t120, UTG+1 raises to t1460, HERO

[Technooo]

You still have plenty of chips, you can fold here easily. I'm not sure if calling here is +$EV or not, but I know folding isn't very -$EV. First orbit right, so no reads?

[taipan168]

Who is Albatross77?

[DetroitHusling101]

Who is Albatross77?

Leaderboard on SS for midgame players , one of the best $16 grinders.

[taipan168]

Who is Albatross77?

Leaderboard on SS for midgame players , one of the best $16 grinders.

Any history on what other hands he has shoved over with this early in the game?

Against most $6.50 players this is a super insta snapcall but against a solid winner the shove over an EP raise (presumably he has HUD stats on you so he knows you're not a donkey) I'm not sure how well we fare against his range.

	equity 	win 	tie 	      
Hand 0: 	52.634%  	51.06% 	01.58% 	      { JJ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 	47.366%  	45.79% 	01.58% 	      { QQ }

[DetroitHusling101]

i seen him shove over with jacks in a prior game but during lvl 3... he's been playign 6.50 all day for some reason so im sure he has stats..we ended up hu on a few tables together...seems like a real weird line with aa kk

[taipan168]

i seen him shove over with jacks in a prior game but during lvl 3... he's been playign 6.50 all day for some reason so im sure he has stats..we ended up hu on a few tables together...seems like a real weird line with aa kk

I don't disagree, but if he's playing 20+ tables or something he simply doesn't have the ability to play postflop.

Meh I probably grit my teeth, call and hope that he has JJ or AK.

[mattiesmat]

Tough spot...
It really depends if he knows your range and wheter he would do this with JJ and AK.
I would fold, since I am pretty sure he would only do this with QQ+ vs me.

[thizzSantaCruz]

I have played against him on UB (on ring games mind you) and nothing he did stood out to me as spectacular. I call here.

[karnouk]

If you played with him before, as others said, he knows you are not a fish, so he could be putting a play on you, knowing that you probably wont call him without KK or AA. However, there are so many people talking after him that he must have something decent. If it was in bvb or in late position, I think you could call, but in early position, I would fold in your spot, with what you know about your opp.

[Technooo]

I really think this looks like AA or KK; early positions overall, I think he's hoping to get all your money in preflop because you might think he's a donkey. Obviously he knows this, but again, I reiterate, WHY RISK 1100 CHIPS AT THIS STAGE IN THE TOURNAMENT WHEN AT YOUR BEST YOU BARELY BEAT HIS RANGE?

It's not about EV at this point, set down your pride and fold 'em because it's the safe play.

[taipan168]

I really think this looks like AA or KK

Most players don't shove over with AA or KK, they'll re-raise to 350 or so. I certainly wouldn't in opp's position. If opp is playing 26 tables then he can't re-raise because he can't play postflop and therefore might just shove it even though it isn't the most +EV move.

WHY RISK 1100 CHIPS AT THIS STAGE IN THE TOURNAMENT WHEN AT YOUR BEST YOU BARELY BEAT HIS RANGE?

Because in most cases, against most $6.50 players, QQ is a super presto insta break your mouse call in this spot, and it's only because of Hero's read that he even posted this hand in the first place.

It's not about EV at this point, set down your pride and fold 'em because it's the safe play.

Sorry to be harsh, but this is completely incorrect. EVERYTHING in poker is about expected value. It has NOTHING to do with a safe play or a reckless play or whatever. If you believe that this call is +EV, then call - if not, then fold.

That said, I don't disagree with your conclusion that Hero should consider folding, but it's NOT because it's the safe play, it's because we may not fare very well against opp's range considering Hero's read.

[CoccoBill]

There's no such thing as "safe" play, only correct/incorrect, which both correlate directly with EV.

I have no clue who Albatross77 is, but let's assume he's decent and I suppose all the other players folded? Obviously he has something, and let's assume he knows he needs JJ+,AK to shove this on a tight table, on a loose table he might go as far as 88+,AQ+. We're a slight dog against the former range, 60/40 against the latter. Tough to say, if you think his range is top heavy, fold, otherwise call. I'm fairly sure I'd call.

[Rage2100]

Only just seen this thread whilst looking up something else. Not sure if anyone has seen these articles by Albatross77 but they are quite interesting. What does everyone else think?

http://www.pocketfives.com/7850AD7D-...B0AFA0026.aspx

http://www.sitandgoplanet.com/sitand..._Strategy.html

His Sharkscope stats are amazing though.

[Geanooooo]

Ive seen albatross make some really weird plays before. He doesnt seem to like playing preflop ever. But I dont like laying down QQ pf especially in a 6.50 and scarcely to never do it, even if im sure im beat.
But, if there was going to be a spot, probably here. As Id put him on a range of pretty much QQ+. Maybe you could add in JJ and AK, but if hes been playing with you all day, he knows your UTG range is tight, and your probably stacking off with most of what your opening.
But i still call lol.

As for the articles, I read through the SNGplanet one, and the concepts he talks about are applicable in certain situations. Not so sure about the example he gave, (with the 98s) but in certain spots you can argue for making a -ev play in order to set up huge +ev plays in the future.