KK flops an ace

[Keilah]

Tricky situation as my stack is pretty small if I fold. Note that my flop check-raise is basically a check-call all-in as he's obviously not folding here.
How would you have played this hand?

No reads 'cuz a)I'm a donk and b)PAHUD sucks on Windows Vista.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 (t4605)
MP2 (t1265)
CO (t1110)
Button (t1555)
Hero (t1440)
BB (t1290)
UTG (t2235)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K.
1 fold, MP1 raises to t200, 3 folds, Hero raises to t600, 1 fold, MP1 calls t400.

Flop: (t1250) J, 3, A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets t450, Hero raises to t840, MP1 calls t390.

Turn: (t2930) 7 (2 players)

River: (t2930) 5 (2 players)

Final Pot: t2930

[Muzzard]

Ship it pre. There is 275 in the pot which is 20% of your stack.

[Fnord]

Probably shove pre-flop for the sake of balance. In isolation I think less than a shove is worth more chip EV. Post-flop you're pretty pot-stuck so you may as well let him bluff.

[Keilah]

Thanks guys. A shove is obviously a good choice then - what about smaller preflop raise (to 500) that will allow me to fold on the flop?

[mattiesmat]

You played it good.
I would reraise preflop, like you did to not lose him.
On the flop you have to get it in and checking allows him to bluff.

[CoccoBill]

b)PAHUD sucks on Windows Vista.

v1.19.4 works fine here. Make sure you're running it as administrator.

[Fnord]

what about smaller preflop raise (to 500) that will allow me to fold on the flop?

Because you can read his soul through the internets?

Maybe if it was like a dump truck, but it's a series of tubes...

[Monty3038]

<--- warning: all response are from a donk, so take that into consideration --->
Ok, so here are my thoughts, he came in with 4xBB which means he has pretty good cards... if you have any reads on him that would be extremely helpful, but basing it solely on bet, you have to be sure you have him beat to call, let alone raise. You felt you did, you raised to 600, or 12xBB. That's pretty aggresive and should have bought him out of the pot on a TT or JJ pair, but he hung in there, which probably indicates AA to me.

Flop shows an A, which means he could have tripped the As. Your bets aren't scaring him... so he is in it for the long haul, if you feel you have him beat, push.

In the long run, how did this hand work out? I am thinking he dropped AA on you and took the pot...

[zxqv8]

Could have been AA, but thats less likely because you'd mostly just get a shove over your raise.

More like Ace-Big and possibly even Ace-Rag, especially if it's a low buyin, I'm sure we've all noticed what god awful crap ace hands people are willing to cold call with at low buyins. Even more if he's got a big stack.

PF shove could likely have bought it, unless of course it was actually aces.

[bjsaust]

I wish I could put unkown opps on exactly a range of 1 hand.

[Keilah]

Monty your analyis looks good on paper but he does't pan out in the real world... chumps get married to their hands and play buy the 'in for a penny, in for a pound' philosophy.

This hand he held AJo for 2 pair and the win.

[Monty3038]

Well, ok, thanks for the heads up Keilah... but let's look at it a little different, I'm not doubting your knowledge or my lack thereof... but if I hold to my analysis I fold... thus he still wins the hand.

I'm having trouble with putting people on too high a range, but being a conservative player, doesn't that kind of work to my advantage sometimes?

[Keilah]

You want to be accurate. Being too tight or too loose is -EV; it's just more jarring for the loosies.

Also, ZXQ is right - AA would have shoved preflop.

[CoccoBill]

I'm having trouble with putting people on too high a range, but being a conservative player, doesn't that kind of work to my advantage sometimes?

Folding when you shouldn't is just as bad as not folding when you should.

[taipan168]

I would just shove it preflop. This is by far my preferred option.

If you want to re-raise less than AI then you need to open shove the flop regardless of what comes - you can't raise more than 40% of your stack then even think about folding the flop.

[marmot]

I don't mind the reraise pf. Villain's flop bet is nice (although he should have folded pre...)

[Geanooooo]

If I make this raise pf im essentially stop and going on all flops.
If he had just made it 3x, i would have made the same raise as you, but the 4x suggests less of a willingness to fold and theres more in the pot win when he folds. Shove pf imo.