play a hand with me: TT deep stacked vs. a fish

[mcatdog]

I played a hand tonight where I had three different decisions that I thought were interesting, so I thought I'd do one of those street by street threads because those are always fun.

This is from the second hour of my favorite tournament, the Full Tilt 22 rebuy. The villain is a pretty big fish. His stats are 40/10 and I've seen him call a couple of really big turn bets with horrible drawing hands. Less than ten minutes ago I bluff-raised the river vs. him on a 68TK9 board and he just called my raise with 77. I thought I had a read that he was weak on the river but I was wrong obviously. Anyway he probably remembers that hand since he's only playing one table.

Full Tilt Poker, NL Hold'em Tournament, 60/120 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

CO: 10,555
Hero (BTN): 9,310
SB: 9,126
BB: 5,605
UTG: 890
UTG+1: 5,380
UTG+2: 9,774
MP1: 13,920
MP2: 20,850

Pre-Flop: (180) T T dealt to Hero (BTN)
4 folds, MP2 raises to 240, CO folds, Hero?

Should I raise or call? I know which one I prefer but I can see good points in favor of both.

[elipsesjeff]

how likely is he to make a big river bet into us as a bluff if we check the turn?

[drmcboy]

it seems like we should raise so we can play HU against him, and it also doesn't seem likely he will 4 bet much that doesn't crush us.

[elipsesjeff]

The more I think about it the more I think you completely range bwn him and like a RR. I'm just interested in our postflop decisions on certain flops, especially if he's a station.

[Reidak]

Raise to isolate, c-bet any flop 3-4 to a full pot.

[mcatdog]

it seems like we should raise so we can play HU against him, and it also doesn't seem likely he will 4 bet much that doesn't crush us.

Exactly my thoughts. Basically I just re-raised for info. This would be very bad against a good player but against a loose passive fish I think it's fine. f I'm ahead then a good player is just going to fold (except for the occasional 4-bet bluff which I can't call) but this guy will definitely call out of position. There's a lot of value in a re-raise IMO.

[johnny_fish]

840 with a decent range and pwn postflop

[mcatdog]

OK that's what I did, I'll let you guys be the judge of whether I pwned postflop.

Full Tilt Poker, NL Hold'em Tournament, 60/120 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

CO: 10,555
Hero (BTN): 9,310
SB: 9,126
BB: 5,605
UTG: 890
UTG+1: 5,380
UTG+2: 9,774
MP1: 13,920
MP2: 20,850

Pre-Flop: (180) T T dealt to Hero (BTN)
4 folds, MP2 raises to 240, CO folds, Hero raises to 800, 2 folds, MP2 calls 560

Flop: (1,780) 7 7 6 (2 Players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets 1,200, MP2 raises to 2,400

[dalecooper]

Irritating play from him. Had he been check-raising or bluffing much? How about slow-playing hands like trips? A read would be helpful. That's not a draw-heavy board so I would tend to read him as having a pocket pair, or (less likely) got lucky with something retarded like A7, or (least likely) is being overly cute with a really stupid hand like overcards.

I like a flat call there by the way.

[johnny_fish]

I see no other option but to call and play a turn.

turn pls

[drmcboy]

What did he do on the flop in these hands:

I've seen him call a couple of really big turn bets with horrible drawing hands.

[johnny_fish]

bump for turn?

[mcatdog]

Oops I forgot, turn was a queen and he shoved for just over pot. If it means anything it took him about 2-3 seconds to shove IIRC.

[mcatdog]

C'mon guys, I post the turn and no one has an opinion?

[norman]

I think I'm more timid than I should be in tournaments. Depending on the precise fishy nature of the villain, you could be up against genuine strength, maybe 76 hearts, an I can bluff too attitude with overcards or rubbish, a straight draw or any pair. The queen may have paired for him.

As Mr Timid, I would back off on the turn.

[chardrian]

the minraise is either a monster or a bluff (or maybe even a smaller pair which he thinks is ahead).

It's read based more than anything.

If you're calling the minraise it means you think you're ahead and want him to fire the turn, so you should call here if you called the flop. Otherwise just fold to the minraise.

[jdubs]

the minraise is either a monster or a bluff (or maybe even a smaller pair which he thinks is ahead).

It's read based more than anything.

If you're calling the minraise it means you think you're ahead and want him to fire the turn, so you should call here if you called the flop. Otherwise just fold to the minraise.

But him having overcards is a distinct possibilities of a hand that we are ahead with right? so the Q is a problem here isnt it? the chances of us being up against either a monster or a Q look pretty good here to me , only thing we're ahead of is a lower pair or bluff- and the odds for the call dont look too good for that IMO.

[chardrian]

The only over to be truly scared of is the A.

[jdubs]

but the turn was a Q and he shoves it...I'm afraid of the Q

[chardrian]

well, then you probably either fold flop or shove it.

But if you're calling that flop minraise it's not to fold to a Q on the turn.

[jdubs]

OK I see where you're coming from...

[johnny_fish]

I'm lost in spots like this. I guess I'm folding because 88/99/A7 slows down.. But so does JJ/QQ.

I don't know, there are so many different kind of fish.. A check/minraise is very strong though and I guess a weak flop b/f is correct.

I wouldn't be surprised to see both AA and AK here. Barf.

[mcatdog]

Thanks for the advice guys, I called and he had ATo. First of all, I definitely agree with chardrian that the only turn card to be scared of was an ace. I'm not being results-oriented, I've just seen tons of terrible players play Ax this way (min-raise, call a re-raise).

Being scared of the Q is pretty goofy, especially since when people check-minraise the flop they almost always bet any turn, whether they were bluffing or not. I was kind of worried about AA/KK/66/7x, but that's not THAT many hands to be scared of.