100NL yes, sir, i folded my KK to potential AA

[pokerfan]

villain is 10.65/7.94/3.5 one of multitabling regulars every day on stars.
hmmm, he always folded to my 3 bet in history. This time i guess he got me but i still called his 4 bet preflop. Who the heck would fold KK on this BS flop?? It really came down to our reads on certain opponents, right?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP3 ($97)
CO ($96.05)
Button ($86.95)
SB ($57)
BB ($113.90)
UTG ($224.50)
UTG+1 ($99)
Hero ($98.50)
MP2 ($59.85)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, K.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $4, Hero raises to $14, 6 folds, UTG+1 raises to $35, Hero calls $21.

Flop: ($71.50) 8, 3, 5 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $64 (All-In), Hero folds.

[pgil]

I don't get it, why are you calling pf to fold on the flop?

[pokerfan]

lol,i just wanted to see another king popping up.

I don't get it, why are you calling pf to fold on the flop?

[Fnord]

Bad laydown.

If you have history between each other, then there is enough of a chance he knows your tight and is making a move.

Calling the 4-bet and folding to a push is really silly.

[jimmy44]

I think you have to push PreFlop.
11/8/3 is not a nit villain to fold KK. I might fold against a 8/2 villain and a lot of hands on him ...
The only reason to call a 4bet with KK would be to push/call a push on any non A flop ...

[XTR1000]

hmmm, he always folded to my 3 bet in history.

You´re 3betting way too tight

[pokerfan]

i was thinking about his early position 4 bet over my mp1 3 bet. This is not like lp steal or something. Guys, whenever i ran into this situation against tight multitabling regulars in early position, they had AA almost every single time in my database. yeah, i called preflop and just signaled to him
" i'm ready to call any flop shove". Actually, his flop line did sound to me like AA. In history, i NEVER 3 bet light against him and stacked him twice in BvB situation(AA vs KK, QQ vs AK). By the way, i already stacked off with kk vs AA twice since last week

[pokerfan]

not really, i 3 bet with lots of stuff against certain players. Sometimes, i even 4 bet light if i feel 3 bettor's range is pretty wide.

hmmm, he always folded to my 3 bet in history.

You´re 3betting way too tight

[badgers]

lol,i just wanted to see another king popping up.

I don't get it, why are you calling pf to fold on the flop?

If you're calling purely for set odds then it's a fold preflop. I'm not saying it is a fold preflop but set odds alone does not justify a call.

[daven]

fold pre, no implied odds
OR
push pre.

As played fold flop easy

[jimmy44]

i was thinking about his early position 4 bet over my mp1 3 bet. This is not like lp steal or something. Guys, whenever i ran into this situation against tight multitabling regulars in early position, they had AA almost every single time in my database. yeah, i called preflop and just signaled to him
" i'm ready to call any flop shove". Actually, his flop line did sound to me like AA. In history, i NEVER 3 bet light against him and stacked him twice in BvB situation(AA vs KK, QQ vs AK). By the way, i already stacked off with kk vs AA twice since last week

Don't worry about this. It does not happen that often!
Me, since the beginning of the year (35k hands) with KK I have run against AA 3 times. We have to learn to cope with this (I'm also trying too myself ).
Statistically, when you have KK every 24 times there will be someone with AA. Therefore, when you have KK you cannot directly think that someone has AA when they 3bet you.
Furthermore, this would balanced by the times we have AA and villain has KK.

A 10/8/3.5 villain could well 4bet you with QQ+ in UTG hopping that you could fold KK as he is 4betting from UTG!
BTW, I could see this villain play the same line with AK. If his aggression was around 0.7-1 then it would be different.
Villain possible thoughts: damm it he called my 4bet IP, flop has only low cards. pot is bigger then my stack I got to push as I have 25% of change of hitting an A and K if I get called!

[SixT-4]

Exactly. Why in God's name would you fold this getting 2-1 after putting a 3rd of your stack in on a great flop. His range is probably wider than this and you still have odds to call.

Board: 8c 5d 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 37.515% 32.52% 05.00% 3219 495.00 { KdKh }
Hand 1: 62.485% 57.48% 05.00% 5691 495.00 { KK+, QdQh, QdQs, QhQs }

[pokerfan]

okay, guys. Another factor influencing my decision making process was that i tried to protect my good winnings near the end of my session and avoid tangling with these regulars. Dont get me wrong, i 4 bet shove KK preflop or flat call 3 bet and c/r all-in on any flop very often in my games.

[badgers]

i tried to protect my good winnings near the end of my session

+EV is +EV

Wrong mental approach

[pokerfan]

its probably one of my big leaks i've got to fix at the moment. Thanks for pointing that out:P

i tried to protect my good winnings near the end of my session

+EV is +EV

Wrong mental approach

[pgil]

I especially don't like the fold since he was obviously willing to go to the felt with less than AA in 2 BvB situations, one of those times having as little as AK. His entire pf range pushes the flop, so the only decision you had was pf, whether to play for stacks. You decided yes, so follow through.

[spoonitnow]

Like omfg you just tilted the piss out of me with this hand.

[Deanglow]

I think I'm going to stop reading the Full Ring forums because I get tilted way too much when people do shit like this.

CALLCALLCALLCALL

[d0zer]

Sometimes I get in these mental processes where I overthink things so much that I forget about standard ABC poker & manage to convince myself into a nit or LAGG...

I think you may have just done that here pokerfan.

I like what you did preflop cause it gets more value from JJ/QQ/AK on this flop. I'm starting to play KK in 3-bet/4-bet situations like this more often...

[BankItDrew]

I'm just going to reiterate what everyone else has already said:

If you have history with this guy and 3 betting the crap out of him, isn't this a great hand to go the distance with? Secondly, do not call preflop with the hopes of hitting a King, your preflop odds are horrible. Thirdly, if you are going to call preflop, look to go the distance.

[pokerfan]

I cant stress enough that its not my normal play and how disappointed i was after this hand. I just figured that this strong bad feeling really influenced my decision in the heat moment regardless of odds, blah, blah. My original plan was call 4 bet and ship it on any flop.
Oh, well i changed my mind seconds before i decided to give up

I'm just going to reiterate what everyone else has already said:

If you have history with this guy and 3 betting the crap out of him, isn't this a great hand to go the distance with? Secondly, do not call preflop with the hopes of hitting a King, your preflop odds are horrible. Thirdly, if you are going to call preflop, look to go the distance.

[Fnord]

okay, guys. Another factor influencing my decision making process was that i tried to protect my good winnings near the end of my session and avoid tangling with these regulars.

Sometimes not without merit, you folded one decsion too late.

[Seabass]

lol, I just wanted to see another king popping up.

I already stacked off with kk vs AA twice since last week

I tried to protect my good winnings near the end of my session

Bad.

how disappointed i was after this hand

Good.

Sometimes we make a bad play, it's ok. The important thing imo is that we can recognize when we do it and what we did wrong, then we can learn and move on.

[martindcx1e]

As played fold flop easy

lol what?

[daven]

As played fold flop easy

lol what?

i'm glad my recent play and poker thoughts make you laugh

[Deanglow]

As played fold flop easy

lol what?

i'm glad my recent play and poker thoughts make you laugh

Probably because they are laughably terrible. Seriously.

[daven]

As played fold flop easy

lol what?

i'm glad my recent play and poker thoughts make you laugh

Probably because they are laughably terrible. Seriously.

Think it's time for me to start posting more hands and commenting more on hand histories! Thanks for pointing this out - and thanks for the comments on hands in the past. I don't tend to comment on your posted hands cos I think the gulf between 50nl and 200nl is too vast - maybe i should, starting to do so should get me thinking better again.

My goal is to get better, and I have a lot of room for improvement....