Hi everyone!! how long did it take you from 25nl to 400nl?

[HybridTt]

lawls

[BigPapi]

25NL september (i think)
100NL now

I play about 10k-15k hands per month, some do that in a week though

posted in FR first, didn't realise it was the FR forum

[bode]

this is my second time through, but i started at 25nl with a $500 bankroll jan 1 of this year and am up to 100nl with a $2500 br right now. this is my second time doing this though, last year i started at 10nl, worked up to basically the high end of 100nl (where i could have been taking some shots at 200), and then fell back down to 50nl by the end of the year.

[kmind]

This is the short handed forum . But yeah, I guess my story is somewhat like BigPapi's except I had to take out a chunk when I first got to 100NL and am now back there but only taking shots.

[HybridTt]

lawls

[Numbr2intheWorld]

about a year

[BigPapi]

Massimo, was that full time playing? how many hands per month would you say on average?

[will641]

i was playing 5nl back in late august, and i started playing 400nl in mid/late feb, but i failed and dropped back down. so appx 6 months to get the roll to play, prolly another 4-6 months to get the skill to be a good winner there.

[zook]

A year playing part-time, about 70k hands. I took shots aggressively though (at 20 buyins) and had to move down the first time I tried to move to 2/4.

[griffey24]

I'd say about 8-10 months, but not playing that much at the time. Maybe about 10k hands a month. more details on that in my blog.

I completely stalled at 100nl for a while and took me a while to get over that hump.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

Massimo, was that full time playing? how many hands per month would you say on average?

It varied, i can't really remember. It wasn't full time at all though. Maybe like an hour or two a day, at most. The first month i really started playing like 3-4 hours a day, was in July 2007 and i moved up from 200NL to 400NL that month and made like 10k.

[BigPapi]

thanks, last two months I've been playing 1 or 2 hours a day after work and made the step up to 100nl. so hopefully I can move up to 400 or play 200 regularly at least by september. still can't imagine making that kind of money in a month though

[Marshall28]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ad.php?t=92878
How to grind from 50nl - 400nl in 1 day - Two Plus Two Forums

boom. 1 day.

[swiggidy]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=92878
How to grind from 50nl - 400nl in 1 day - Two Plus Two Forums

boom. 1 day.

what about down, then up again, then down again, and then up, and down once more?

[Marshall28]

i wouldnt really focus too much on trying to worry about making it to 400 if u r just playing 100 right now .... focus on beating 100, once youve proven to yourself that you hav ethe ability and the confidence to beat that, take shots/move up. take it one step at a time, everybody's curve is gonna be different. some people will take 2 years to make the transition, others will do it in 5 months.

a lot of it has to do w/ running good/bad as well.

fwiw the first time i started at 10nl in Aug of 06 I took my first 400nl shot on ... the 3rd of Oct 07 and didnt look back.

[swiggidy]

i wouldnt really focus too much on trying to worry about making it to 400 if u r just playing 100 right now .... focus on beating 100, once youve proven to yourself that you hav ethe ability and the confidence to beat that, take shots/move up. take it one step at a time, everybody's curve is gonna be different. some people will take 2 years to make the transition, others will do it in 5 months.

a lot of it has to do w/ running good/bad as well.

fwiw the first time i started at 10nl in Aug of 06 I took my first 400nl shot on ... the 3rd of Oct 07 and didnt look back.

what about all the times you went busto?

[Marshall28]

i wouldnt really focus too much on trying to worry about making it to 400 if u r just playing 100 right now .... focus on beating 100, once youve proven to yourself that you hav ethe ability and the confidence to beat that, take shots/move up. take it one step at a time, everybody's curve is gonna be different. some people will take 2 years to make the transition, others will do it in 5 months.

a lot of it has to do w/ running good/bad as well.

fwiw the first time i started at 10nl in Aug of 06 I took my first 400nl shot on ... the 3rd of Oct 07 and didnt look back.

what about all the times you went busto?

hence the not looking back ....

[Genitruc]

i think it took me from May to Sep 2006 running hot with lots of bonuses

my 1st day at nl400 with a 20k+ br I made 2.8k in 290 hands

the next day was UIGEA lol

[swiggidy]

i wouldnt really focus too much on trying to worry about making it to 400 if u r just playing 100 right now .... focus on beating 100, once youve proven to yourself that you hav ethe ability and the confidence to beat that, take shots/move up. take it one step at a time, everybody's curve is gonna be different. some people will take 2 years to make the transition, others will do it in 5 months.

a lot of it has to do w/ running good/bad as well.

fwiw the first time i started at 10nl in Aug of 06 I took my first 400nl shot on ... the 3rd of Oct 07 and didnt look back.

what about all the times you went busto?

hence the not looking back ....

you do realize that doesn't make any sense, right?

[Marshall28]

i wouldnt really focus too much on trying to worry about making it to 400 if u r just playing 100 right now .... focus on beating 100, once youve proven to yourself that you hav ethe ability and the confidence to beat that, take shots/move up. take it one step at a time, everybody's curve is gonna be different. some people will take 2 years to make the transition, others will do it in 5 months.

a lot of it has to do w/ running good/bad as well.

fwiw the first time i started at 10nl in Aug of 06 I took my first 400nl shot on ... the 3rd of Oct 07 and didnt look back.

what about all the times you went busto?

hence the not looking back ....

you do realize that doesn't make any sense, right?

swiggidy, i originally thought u were just poking fun at me ... my post was only half a brag post it was mostly for fun ... then u did (what i thought was needling) so i made fun of myself back by saying "hence not looking back" --- meaning i didnt move down limits or show good money management which would be the reason for why i went broke so many times ... obv u were in fact just trying to be a dick, so whatever. i was just making fun of my idiocy, but u couldnt even understand it, what does that say about you? rofl ...

[HybridTt]

I have been playing 25nl for 28 years now on and off but i cant move up. i read these forums everyday and play exactly how everyone tells me. I read here that when someone 3bets or 4 bets you and we have AK its a easy fold. http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ly-t69334.html
thank you ash256 now i always fold AK to 3bets. Also pokerfan is a great poster i copy all his lines from his HH and i win at about .1ptbb/100 at 25nl. Look at how he intentinoally donk leads to induce a raisel( so 1337). Because hes so smart he then asks, should i 3bet shove over the raise i induced by a donk lead?? wow amazing, what a great player examining all ways of playing his hand. At first glance he looks like a complete donk for asking to 3bet but no he is so good that we can't even start to understand his plays or his rational, he is just way beyond us... one day ill donk lead 3bet shove rivers in way behind way aheads situations.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...re-t69263.html

thank you all for the great information i've learned here.

[Ash256]

I have been playing 25nl for 28 years now on and off but i cant move up. i read these forums everyday and play exactly how everyone tells me. I read here that when someone 3bets or 4 bets you and we have AK its a easy fold. http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ly-t69334.html
thank you ash256 now i always fold AK to 3bets.

That's obviously not what I said.


Rim me, bitch

[grnydrowave2]

I went from 5nl to 50nl in 6 weeks. Then I hit a few downswings, chickened out, and quit while ahead. But I'm back now!

I have been playing 25nl for 28 years now on and off but i cant move up. i read these forums everyday and play exactly how everyone tells me. I read here that when someone 3bets or 4 bets you and we have AK its a easy fold. http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ly-t69334.html
thank you ash256 now i always fold AK to 3bets. Also pokerfan is a great poster i copy all his lines from his HH and i win at about .1ptbb/100 at 25nl. Look at how he intentinoally donk leads to induce a raisel( so 1337). Because hes so smart he then asks, should i 3bet shove over the raise i induced by a donk lead?? wow amazing, what a great player examining all ways of playing his hand. At first glance he looks like a complete donk for asking to 3bet but no he is so good that we can't even start to understand his plays or his rational, he is just way beyond us... one day ill donk lead 3bet shove rivers in way behind way aheads situations.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...re-t69263.html

thank you all for the great information i've learned here.

wat

[HybridTt]

I have been playing 25nl for 28 years now on and off but i cant move up. i read these forums everyday and play exactly how everyone tells me. I read here that when someone 3bets or 4 bets you and we have AK its a easy fold. http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ly-t69334.html
thank you ash256 now i always fold AK to 3bets.

That's obviously not what I said.


Rim me, bitch

I'm never afraid to fold now, thank you ash256 i fold AK all the time now. LEt me post what i used to think... before you enlightened me.
My original answer to

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ly-t69334.html
1. if we are oop shove.
If we are in position, if we think he has a tight calling range but a wide 4betting range then shove. If we think that he has a tight 4betting range and a wide calling range relative to his 4betting range we flat it... also in this situation he also has to have a high % to cbet, if his cbet % is 35% or less shove instead. If he has a wide 4betting range and a wide shove calling range we flat to increase our value from AQs-A10s hands... I think there is a misconception here, if he has a wide 4 betting range and has a tight calling range that IS GOOD not bad... that means we pick up 36$ more often to offset when we get it in behind(60/40%). IF his range is small to start with we have less FE.. the way to think of this hand is what is his 4betting range and how far apart is his 4betting range from his 5bet calling range.
IF its a big difference shove, if he only 4bets what hes calling, we flat since we are prob in the middle of his range, but flatting without initiative is only profitable if he cbets all A and K flops for us as well(An extra free bet). If his range is tight and he only 4bets what he is calling and he does not cbet at least 40% we can fold preflop.(this is possible at low stakes)

Another thing to think about is that, there is no correct answer because say your a nitt his range will be tighter on calling and shoving which will change everything... say your agressive you will NEVER be folding this ever ever.. ALso lets say shoving is -ev in this spot and its never really that -ev vs a unknown, it will increase your EV on AA and KK because ppl will need to call you lighter ...that being said if you dont know what to do folding to a 4bet is not that -ev vs a unknown and it will lower your variance....

2. 4bets too big, u have to call any shove with the odds you gave yourself, and i mean any... make it like 2x+ a fewbb in position and just shove oop. Also keep in mind 4betting AK vs most ranges and folding to a 5bet shove is -ev so don't 4bet endless your willing to call a shove90% of the time.

3. same thing, if you make ur cbet smaller and ur in position when he checks i would bet/f half pot on all tier1 and tier2 flops check behind flops where i have gutterballs, and c/f tier 3 4 and 5 flops..
4. too lazy

here is a ev calc hope i was helpful i know i ramble a lot but i think an anwser without the why means nothing... i forgot to factor in attempt to steal... o well too lazy but since hes in the CO it helps us determine his range...

http://www.rvgsoftware.com/

O ya can you look over a hand for me that i played today?? should i open fold this too?

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...op-t69378.html

[bode]

hybrid,

since about 3/4 or your 29 posts have been sarcastic bullshit and basically just making fun of people why dont you fuck off and go post at 2+2. idk why, but you seem like you would fit in real well.

[Carroters]

You guys are lucky Nutsinho isn't in this debate cos he is the greatest player at stars and pwns 5/10 regularly. Nutsinho is a genius of poker and my favorite pro.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

You guys are lucky Nutsinho isn't in this debate cos he is the greatest player at stars and pwns 5/10 regularly. Nutsinho is a genius of poker and my favorite pro.

dude, who are you?

[Genitruc]

wow ftr is getting trolled hard

[will641]

You guys are lucky Nutsinho isn't in this debate cos he is the greatest player at stars and pwns 5/10 regularly. Nutsinho is a genius of poker and my favorite pro.

i dont even know what to make of this. normally i would say its the person mentioned made an alternate account to do this, but there is no way nutsinho would do that. so conclusion: troll.

[will641]

hybrid,

since about 3/4 or your 29 posts have been sarcastic bullshit and basically just making fun of people why dont you fuck off and go post at 2+2. idk why, but you seem like you would fit in real well.

maybe he is related to Phil "takechip" D'Auteuil or whatever his last name is.

[HybridTt]

No i had all good posts but i changed them all to LAWLS because people were misinterpreting information... I'm just being sarcastic in hopes of showing people here that more than half the information given is wrong... sorry if i come off as jerk to u =D... but take a look around... and try looking at the fullring stuff.....bode your right... about how i shouldn't post anymore, cuz I'm too sarcastic ^-^... lol i wont post anymore and ill get rid of the AK thing soon because thats too much info... to just give away.

[meeloche]

You are really good, coach me?

[HybridTt]

You are really good, coach me?

sure i don't mind, ill do it for free pm ur aim. The first few lesson free, then u decide if I'm evil or not lol(i am)... if your kidding then u coach me instead =P

[meeloche]

I was posting in the manner that all your recent posts have been. If you are actually a good player and are willing to stop posting like an ass then I'm sure everybody would welcome you posting in this forum.

I am not looking for coaching at this time but thanks for your offer.

[mrhappy333]

wow ftr is getting trolled hard

[nutsinho]

looool

[Deanglow]

looool

hay sup

[Marshall28]

wow ftr is getting trolled hard

yes, why is this happening?

[HybridTt]

wow ftr is getting trolled hard

yes, why is this happening?

sorry wasn't that plan. lol ill stop posting k

bode/badger i think my posts were 95% educational 4 days ago, but now have changed/edited them to 95% sarcastic... sorry for the change but i was annoyed at the level of interpretation and misinformation given tbh... =/ anyways last post peace

[Ash256]

wow ftr is getting trolled hard

yes, why is this happening?

sorry wasn't that plan. lol ill stop posting k

bode/badger i think my posts were 95% educational 4 days ago, but now have changed/edited them to 95% sarcastic... sorry for the change but i was annoyed at the level of interpretation and misinformation given tbh... =/ anyways last post peace

I think I speak for quite a few people here when I say I'm more than cool with you posting and more than cool with you keeping donkstudents like me on my feet. Just don't be overly douchey !

Peace

[bjsaust]

One option if you think a lot of information is bad, would be to correct it and explain why you think its bad in an informative style.

Or you could be an ass and waste everyones time.

Guess we know which you picked...

[kmind]

stick around just don't be all douchey haha. Start/transfer your blog too. Peer pressure...

[swiggidy]

wow ftr is getting trolled hard

yes, why is this happening?

sorry wasn't that plan. lol ill stop posting k

bode/badger i think my posts were 95% educational 4 days ago, but now have changed/edited them to 95% sarcastic... sorry for the change but i was annoyed at the level of interpretation and misinformation given tbh... =/ anyways last post peace

I think I speak for quite a few people here when I say I'm more than cool with you posting and more than cool with you keeping donkstudents like me on my feet. Just don't be overly douchey !

Peace

Actually, you might be the only one who thinks that.