Fold? Shove?

[piitb]

POKERSTARS GAME #16584772660: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/04/08 - 17:03:43 (ET)
Table 'Zimmerwald' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: carouan ($14.85 in chips)
Seat 2: DenverDiva1 ($6 in chips)
Seat 3: Pokerlullu ($3.80 in chips)
Seat 4: JonnyFull ($22.90 in chips)
Seat 5: jm_mathurin ($7.55 in chips)
Seat 6: Polish.H06 ($27.90 in chips)
carouan: posts small blind $0.05
DenverDiva1: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JonnyFull [6d 6h]
Pokerlullu: folds
JonnyFull: raises $0.30 to $0.40
jm_mathurin: calls $0.40
Polish.H06: folds
carouan: folds
DenverDiva1: calls $0.30
*** FLOP *** [4d 2c 5d]
DenverDiva1: checks
JonnyFull: bets $1
jm_mathurin: raises $2 to $3
DenverDiva1: folds
JonnyFull: raises $19.50 to $22.50 and is all-in
jm_mathurin: calls $4.15 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [4d 2c 5d] [Js]
*** RIVER *** [4d 2c 5d Js] [Ad]


Do i shove this or is that just dumb of me? I have the over pair and a gut. Is this enough justification?

[grnydrowave2]

Put it in the butt? LAWL.

On a serious note, I don't like raising 66 UTG+1. Without any kind of read on your opponents, I'd probably c/f the flop. As played, I would fold to the raise.

Maybe I'm weak-tight, but this is 10nl. You can find better spots than this. You have little fold equity, and you're not beating many hands that will call.

[sil693]

I play 10NL 6max and raise any pocket pair from any position if I'm first to act so id say preflop is fine. As played fold flop though - like previous poster said, nothing you beat here is calling you I dont think.

[bode]

preflop is super standard here. lol at limping 66. if villain was sitting on a slightly shorter stack (like 50bb) or hes a total drooler then i'd gamble it up here, but youre not beating much. probly a fold.

[will641]

On a serious note, I don't like raising 66 UTG+1. Without any kind of read on your opponents, I'd probably c/f the flop. As played, I would fold to the raise.

wat? why on earth would you c/f flop?

[grnydrowave2]

lol, somebody else laughed at me on AIM for limping small pocket pairs in EP. I just hate getting 3-bet with them. Maybe I need to rethink that.

On a serious note, I don't like raising 66 UTG+1. Without any kind of read on your opponents, I'd probably c/f the flop. As played, I would fold to the raise.

wat? why on earth would you c/f flop?

Because I just have a gutshot? Because I don't like c-betting OOP against unknowns at 10nl? Because I can't put villain on a range, I don't know my implieds, and there's only 3 cards in the deck I'm happy to see next street?

Like I said before, maybe I'm weaktight, but if I don't make my set then I'm through with the hand.

[pankfish]

EDIT: I changed my mind.

[JL]

lol, somebody else laughed at me on AIM for limping small pocket pairs in EP. I just hate getting 3-bet with them. Maybe I need to rethink that.

On a serious note, I don't like raising 66 UTG+1. Without any kind of read on your opponents, I'd probably c/f the flop. As played, I would fold to the raise.

wat? why on earth would you c/f flop?

Because I just have a gutshot? Because I don't like c-betting OOP against unknowns at 10nl? Because I can't put villain on a range, I don't know my implieds, and there's only 3 cards in the deck I'm happy to see next street?

Like I said before, maybe I'm weaktight, but if I don't make my set then I'm through with the hand.

We have an overpair and a gutshot. What am I missing here?

FWIW I raise 66 UTG in 10-max games, so LOL at limping anywhere in 6max.

[martindcx1e]

ya grnydro stop open limping 66 in 6max man.

[bode]

stop open limping any pp in any position. if you get 3bet, which i cant imagine is THAT often if your playing mircros, then adjust. call when you have odds or just fold. not that big of a deal really.

[dalecooper]

Getting 3-bet with small pairs is super +EV if you call when you have implied odds, because your opponent is significantly more likely to felt than if they had put in the first raise. If you are getting 3-bet a lot, you should just 1. try not to make your initial raise very big (so the 3-bet shouldn't be too much to call) and 2. always have a full stack - and hopefully the 3-bets are coming from people with full stacks as well, so it will be profitable to call them.

If you're really getting 3-bet relentlessly though, limping isn't bad. You should be trapping more in those games anyway.

[kmind]

I think it's pretty marginal for whatever he plans to do after the raise on the flop but is it a leak that I want to b/f the flop?

[will641]

lol, somebody else laughed at me on AIM for limping small pocket pairs in EP. I just hate getting 3-bet with them. Maybe I need to rethink that.

On a serious note, I don't like raising 66 UTG+1. Without any kind of read on your opponents, I'd probably c/f the flop. As played, I would fold to the raise.

wat? why on earth would you c/f flop?

Because I just have a gutshot? Because I don't like c-betting OOP against unknowns at 10nl? Because I can't put villain on a range, I don't know my implieds, and there's only 3 cards in the deck I'm happy to see next street?

Like I said before, maybe I'm weaktight, but if I don't make my set then I'm through with the hand.

dude, we have an over pair first of all, and were definitely ahead of his range. second, a gut shot is 4 outs and a set is 2, giving us a total of 6 outs if were behind.

and from the sound of it, you seem content with being weak-tight, and you really shouldnt. its a terrible way of playing.

[kmind]

Ok, yeah I now agree that it's a shove. B/S > B/F >>> C/F

[reprisal]

Well if you just call, there is only a 2/3 PSB left anyways. So if we think we can fold out 77-TT(probably not) or if we will get called by a lot of Axs, 33, and some other random stuff(probably?) then shoving seems pretty decent. Otherwise b/f .

[kmind]

I think his raising range is basically is push calling range which is really helpful if we have reads but since it's a short at 10nl I think it can be semi-wide here and we have more than enough equity.

[ChrisTheFish]

I'd play it same

[grnydrowave2]

dude, we have an over pair first of all, and were definitely ahead of his range.

What's his range?

[pankfish]

dude, we have an over pair first of all, and were definitely ahead of his range.

What's his range?

Mainly two overs and a flush draw or Ace X with a worse gut shot. We are flipping against the the flush draw and pretty good distance ahead of the Ace X. Of course you can't really take Ace 3 out of their range unless you have reads that he has a tight preflop calling range.

I'm don't think you are making too big of a mistake either way you go here.

[piitb]

I think that this guys range here is very wide Including and pair w oesd. Tptk, a couple of diamonds and the such.

I dont think his range is beating me here. Maybe i am not that far ahead of it but..... this is 10nl

[Genitruc]

whoa can t believe i didn't notice this thread

hasn't anybody played these stakes when they're rly drunk/high late at night?

-villain isn't full-stacked

-we have overpair

-we have outs even if he has a set or overpair (yay 25% equity!)

-we have a diamond blocker if he has a FD

-ppl with less than 100bb's, even moreso than the "regs" (lol?) playing these stakes, can often play this way with any piece of the board, a "slowplayed" AK, Ax.....

[Numbr2intheWorld]

you played it well, nice hand.

That's an awesome avatar...