$22, AQ multiway

[fjuanl]

UTG - terrible player, could have 8x, 4x or worse
UTG+1 - very loose post
MP2 - Lots of games logged, beating the 11s but probably losing at 22s (-6% ROI on sharkscope). no other reads besides one note that said they flatted a raise with aq

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

CO (t1225)
Hero (t1710)
SB (t640)
BB (t2750)
UTG (t2320)
UTG+1 (t1185)
MP1 (t1650)
MP2 (t2020)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
UTG calls t50, UTG+1 raises to t100, 1 fold, MP2 calls t100, 1 fold, Hero calls t100, SB calls t75, 1 fold, UTG calls t50.

Flop: (t550) , , (5 players)
SB checks, UTG bets t50, UTG+1 calls t50, MP2 raises to t600, Hero ...

[bjsaust]

I probably fold, hard to see what you beat here. The only way you're ahead is if MP2 has the same reads you do on the other two and is making a bit of a play. Possible he may have AT or AJ I guess. I think MP2 likely has a set.

[Stacks]

I agree with bjsaust here, and would also fold. MP2 most likely holding here should be a set. I really don't see a guy who you presume to be a decent player (at least a winning $11 player) to be calling a UTG+1 raise with any ace weaker than AQ (possibly AJs, but doubt it, unless he has the other guys pegged as weak as well) from MP.

His flat call preflop seems like any pp JJ or lower (as we expect a reraise from QQ+, AK generally), and with the line he has taken on the flop, I don't see him making this play with any pp other than the ones that hit the set. No sense in going broke here with TPDK when you only have a minimal investment in the hand and plenty of SNG left to play.

[taipan168]

I agree with the others, with MP2 leading out it's time to fold. However, if it had been UTG or UTG+1 leading out like this, easy shove over.

[mukaka]

I would definitely fold this but...

When I have AQ I definitely raise when it's folded to me.. But when somebody raises before me pre-flop I tend to play it very safely.. For instance I would call this pre-flop raise but fold to the bigger ones.. Post-flop if UTG or UTG+1 have bet big, I would also fold.. Why is this wrong?

[taipan168]

Post-flop if UTG or UTG+1 have bet big, I would also fold.. Why is this wrong?

Because given how bad these players are, they are likely to lead out big with plenty of hands that you beat such as non two pair Ax, flush draws, non-set pocket pairs, maybe even something as retarded as K8.

[TLR]

I fail to see the logic of calling preflop and folding when you hit your A.

Given your reads I reraise it preflop

[fjuanl]

the people at 2+2 have mostly said shove preflop and were complaining about calling the preflop raise. some have said fold preflop which i think is pretty ridiculous

i also think you guys might be giving MP2 too much credit...his ave roi for 2000 games is -6% and is -$900 overall. I just looked at sharkscope's ROI chart and apparently he has a -2.5% ROI at 11s and 2.5% ROI at 22s (was using a different site for info in the orginal post). People who have numbers like this tend to have A9/AT/AJ A LOT here. I'm not really concerned about a set either...although a set SHOULD raise this much, I've rarely seen people play them properly (ie: they will only raise to 300ish here). I was almost positive this was AT/AJ yet I pussed out and folded

[taipan168]

the people at 2+2 have mostly said shove preflop and were complaining about calling the preflop raise. some have said fold preflop which i think is pretty ridiculous

Yeah, the 2+2 crowd tends to be very nitty. That said, I can see shoving preflop, the chips in the pot are ~19% of your stack, you have really good FE and probably fare OK against opp's range if you're called.

i also think you guys might be giving MP2 too much credit...his ave roi for 2000 games is -6% and is -$900 overall. I just looked at sharkscope's ROI chart and apparently he has a -2.5% ROI at 11s and 2.5% ROI at 22s (was using a different site for info in the orginal post). People who have numbers like this tend to have A9/AT/AJ a lot here and call the preflop raise pretty wide.

Now you quote those stats that opp is a losing player, I would shove over no problem at all. If opp was a winning regular I could find a fold because I'd say that you'd be behind a winning player's range on the flop. Against a losing player, shove away.

BTW I didn't realise you were jfly on 2+2, I think you've responded to some of my posts there without me knowing it was you.

[fdnypoker]

UTG - terrible player, could have 8x, 4x or worse
UTG+1 - very loose post

AI pre flop. AI post flop. Go with original read.