100NL, AA good in these tough spots?

[pokerfan]

hand 1: villain is unknown, probably loose. Do you guys fold, shove or flat call? pot commitment issue should be considered in this spot.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($98)
SB ($133.40)
BB ($76.15)
UTG ($87.45)
UTG+1 ($120)
MP1 ($13.05)
MP2 ($130.75)
CO ($99.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A.
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $7, SB calls $6.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $6, UTG+1 calls $6, MP2 folds.

Flop: ($30) 7, T, 8 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $25, Hero ?

hand 2: villain is 21.3/6.8/2.2 semi-loose over 365 hands. He was in felt mode all the way.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP1 ($99.80)
MP2 ($225.05)
Hero ($104.50)
Button ($63.80)
SB ($61)
BB ($214.55)
UTG ($139.55)
UTG+1 ($112.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
4 folds, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) , , (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB raises to $14, Hero calls $8.

Turn: ($36.50) (2 players)
BB bets $19, Hero calls $19.

River: ($74.50) (2 players)
BB bets $72, Hero ?

[Miffed22001]

I fold a lot in these spots because im happy ill have an edge in a lot more spots whereas here im more 'wtf' or 'ugh'

That being said, i dont think you played them horribly either

[pokerfan]

what percentage of the time did these villains semi-bluff or bet worse hands for value ? Sometimes, i have real problem handling these murky situations when my opponents could hold a wide range of hands, some better and some worse.

I fold a lot in these spots because im happy ill have an edge in a lot more spots whereas here im more 'wtf' or 'ugh'

That being said, i dont think you played them horribly either

[kmind]

Hand 1 - I fold
Hand 2 - Call vs. this type of player.

[aka_red]

h1 i shoves
h2 autofelt his range here is pp+ TX junk, fwiw i prolly min rera on turn

[ChrisBCritter]

h1 i shoves
h2 autofelt his range here is pp+ TX junk, fwiw i prolly min rera on turn

1) I agree. Villian shows up with KTo here just as much as J9.
2) I like a raise on the turn also, so you can realistically fold to a push there. As played it looks like a call to me. It doesn't look like he wants you to call...

[XTR1000]

#1 meh, I think fold>shove>call and it´s close on such a wet flop. Maybe too drawy to fold

#2 3bet flop and fold to any further aggression

[pokerfan]

hand 1: Do you really think we have big edge on this flop with 2 players yet to act behind?

h1 i shoves
h2 autofelt his range here is pp+ TX junk, fwiw i prolly min rera on turn

[pokerfan]

hand 2: i started playing small pot after his c/r on the flop. Maybe i'm too nit after reading dan harrington's new cash books (various flops and how to respond)

#1 meh, I think fold>shove>call and it´s close on such a wet flop. Maybe too drawy to fold

#2 3bet flop and fold to any further aggression

[aka_red]

hand 1: Do you really think we have big edge on this flop with 2 players yet to act behind?

h1 i shoves
h2 autofelt his range here is pp+ TX junk, fwiw i prolly min rera on turn

in this type of multiway pot the only play they have is to chk/shv. how does akdd and 77+not get it in here? when you just shove over it looks like your on the diamond draw and are trying to buy the pot so there are definitly worse hands calling you so why not shove

[Fnord]

I call in hand 1 to see if either of the other players want to ambush us.

[pokerfan]

Assuming that its HeadsUp, whats your plan from turn on?

I call in hand 1 to see if either of the other players want to ambush us.

[Ltrain]

I didn't look at your specific hands (I am at work and can't absorb them now), but had a general comment that hit me regarding your table selection. How are you selecting your seat? Your hand histories always have you in tough spots with deep stacked tags. I hope it is because your confident in your other plays and don't need advise for most hands, but otherwise, you are regularly selecting seats that are putting you in very tough situations with tight regulars.

Just a thought...

[XTR1000]

hand 2: i started playing small pot after his c/r on the flop. Maybe i'm too nit after reading dan harrington's new cash books (various flops and how to respond)

#1 meh, I think fold>shove>call and it´s close on such a wet flop. Maybe too drawy to fold

#2 3bet flop and fold to any further aggression

well, actually u let him take control over the potsize. B/3b and c/f if called doesnt invest more money than b/c - c/c.

[pokerfan]

I dont usually get a choice of a couple seats at the table. However, i try to have position on deep stacks and loose players. Of course, i avoid those tables with a VP$IP of below 20 and small pot size or full of 10-30BB stacks. In general, i dont think i have many tough spots with deep stack Tags cuz i either fold to their raise in the middle or just float/bluff them off the hand without showdown

I didn't look at your specific hands (I am at work and can't absorb them now), but had a general comment that hit me regarding your table selection. How are you selecting your seat? Your hand histories always have you in tough spots with deep stacked tags. I hope it is because your confident in your other plays and don't need advise for most hands, but otherwise, you are regularly selecting seats that are putting you in very tough situations with tight regulars.

Just a thought...

[pokerfan]

i think its a good line given his small 3 bet size. Unfortunately, i didnt even notice it when multitabling in the heat of the moment.

hand 2: i started playing small pot after his c/r on the flop. Maybe i'm too nit after reading dan harrington's new cash books (various flops and how to respond)

#1 meh, I think fold>shove>call and it´s close on such a wet flop. Maybe too drawy to fold

#2 3bet flop and fold to any further aggression

well, actually u let him take control over the potsize. B/3b and c/f if called doesnt invest more money than b/c - c/c.

[Fnord]

Assuming that its HeadsUp, whats your plan from turn on?

Get the rest of the money in with the nuts.

[pokerfan]

hand 1:
i think you are saying that we stick in the rest when checked to and fold to his second barrel or shove on the turn, right?

Assuming that its HeadsUp, whats your plan from turn on?

Get the rest of the money in with the nuts.

[Fnord]

fold to his second barrel or shove on the turn, right?

I never fold the nuts and certainly don't fold strong hands to aggressive and retarded players.

[pokerfan]

villian did shove on very scary turn, i tanked and folded it. My original plan was insta shove when checked to or just push over his bet on any good-looking turn..

fold to his second barrel or shove on the turn, right?

I never fold the nuts and certainly don't fold strong hands to aggressive and retarded players.

[elipsesjeff]

villian did shove on very scary turn, i tanked and folded it. My original plan was insta shove when checked to or just push over his bet on any good-looking turn..

why would you rather shove it allin on this board than call an all in?

[pokerfan]

i only have less than PSB left behind after bloated flop. If villian shows any kinda weakness on safe turn, i'm not going anywhere and bet for value. As played, i folded my AA cuz turn card was another T. :P
its a no-brainer fold IMO, folks.

villian did shove on very scary turn, i tanked and folded it. My original plan was insta shove when checked to or just push over his bet on any good-looking turn..

why would you rather shove it allin on this board than call an all in?