Adjusting to $16 turbos

[bonaparte]

ok, I've been playing a lot more recently and I've been feeling really good about my $6.50 game. So I decided I would try the $16 turbos at Stars. I suck at these games. I mean I really have no idea what I'm doing.

I guess my biggest question is: how do I adjust to the $16 game coming from the $6.5 game? I'm really losing a lot of money and I have to keep droping down to the $6.5 game to get more buyins to the $16 game, which sucks.

One thing I've noticed through skarkscope is that the players are really much better at the $16 game. Usually there are about 2 losing players at my tables when I play $16, but there are usually 6-7 losing players when I play the $6.50 game. Which leads me to ask, am I playing at the wrong times of the day if there are that many good players, or have I just been unlucky? It seems there are way more better players at the $16 level than there is money to be won. I just don't understand how that may players can be winning players.

So I'm wondering, How should I adjust to the $16 game? An ROI of minus 63.84% at the $16 is sort of embarassing when I'm looking at a ROI in the $6.5 which is greater then 30%. Those $16 players are really really good, and I just don't understand what is going on with them. Maybe I should go to a 5 table $6.5 SNG game? Suggestions welcome.

[bjsaust]

$16s is when you'll start running into guys who do this for a living.

Mainly you want to do what you do at the $6.50s, but do it with less mistakes.

Post a tourney or two for review, we might find some leaks.

[fjuanl]

If you feel like your early game play is fine, I think if you get a good grasp of ICM its going to be very hard to lose. The key to using ICM to your benefit is accurately putting people on calling ranges.

-Take quizzes on SnGWiz to get an idea for push/fold ranges in different spots, keeping in mind how different calling ranges change your decisions
-Review your sessions in SNGWiz to see if you made correct decisions
-Pay attention to how your opponents play

[TLR]

I dont play much $16 Single table Sng, but usually there are 2-4 multitablers who are decent to good players that play the classic tight early loose late game, so overall people suck less at the $16, if you are winning at the 6.5 you basically need to do the same, but if someone calls you they usually dont have the crap they have at the 6.5

[taipan168]

Table selection also becomes important - figure out who the very good multitabling regulars are and avoid them if you can. Having even 1-2 good regs on your tables can materially affect your ROI.

[Geanooooo]

A high stakes FTP SNG regular told me that the 16s were tougher than the 109s on FTP. Take it fwiw, but i would stay away from them unless you enjoy sickening variance/reg infested games.

[Stacks]

A high stakes FTP SNG regular told me that the 16s were tougher than the 109s on FTP. Take it fwiw, but i would stay away from them unless you enjoy sickening variance/reg infested games.

Obviously move up to the $109s and get coaching advice from Geanooooo. I mean did you not see his soul read?

Edit: Oh and by obvious I mean it's best to refrain from that course of action. Either of them.

[bonaparte]

Geanooooo does bring up an interesting concept. There are a lot of players grinding it out at the $16 and $27 levels. Sometimes I'll get on Stars only to see 10 $16 games all lined up with the same player, so I try to avoid those games only to have a second regular start to fill up the next 15 games or so. Sometimes it takes 10 minutes to get a good seat. I've wondered if there are higher level games which offer worse players or if I might be better at the 45 person $6.5 SNG ect.. I was going to use sharkscope to start running random tables to see where there might be more or less fish. I'm also thinking of starting a Full Tilt account even though I wouldn't be able to take full advantage of thier sign up bonus if they turn out to have easier games.

[Geanooooo]

A high stakes FTP SNG regular told me that the 16s were tougher than the 109s on FTP. Take it fwiw, but i would stay away from them unless you enjoy sickening variance/reg infested games.

Obviously move up to the $109s and get coaching advice from Geanooooo. I mean did you not see his soul read?

Edit: Oh and by obvious I mean it's best to refrain from that course of action. Either of them.

loll jesus why all the abuse?
You obviously lack the intelligence to :
A: see that I was joking in the soul reading thread
B: sharkscope me
C: get a good enough job that prevents your from having enough free time to e-stalk me and bash everything I say.

p.s Im drunk F Chelsea

[Geanooooo]

Geanooooo does bring up an interesting concept. There are a lot of players grinding it out at the $16 and $27 levels. Sometimes I'll get on Stars only to see 10 $16 games all lined up with the same player, so I try to avoid those games only to have a second regular start to fill up the next 15 games or so. Sometimes it takes 10 minutes to get a good seat. I've wondered if there are higher level games which offer worse players or if I might be better at the 45 person $6.5 SNG ect.. I was going to use sharkscope to start running random tables to see where there might be more or less fish. I'm also thinking of starting a Full Tilt account even though I wouldn't be able to take full advantage of thier sign up bonus if they turn out to have easier games.

On a serious note though im sure there are alot more profitable games out there than the 16s which you could afford to play with the same BR. On stars i believe the 9 man SNGs are probably the hardest to beat on the net.
FTP has a really bad standard of play as alot of regs are breakeven/small losers/small winners but make their money through rakeback.
The lack of antes on FTP negates a good players edge however, thus decreasing ROI.

[bjsaust]

You probably cant get away from playing with at least one multi-tabling reg, the times to avoid signing up are when there are 10 tournies filling and they all have at least 2 people in them.

FTP also has the low stakes sng tournament ladder which encourages people to not move up, Stars might start seeing more of the same.

[Geanooooo]

Also the ridiculously low rake% at the 16s encourage people to stay there. look at sippin_criss guys a beast and has over 14k profit this year already but hasnt moved up because he thinks hes reached his optimal hourly rate.
Everyone wants to be like space gravy and play like 25 tables. This is easiest at the 16s.