Hand Analysis: Pocket 7's

[Soothsayer]

I'm not claiming that I'm great at poker, but I'm hoping I played this ok enough to chalk it up as unlucky.

Holding 7s7c in middle position with 2 limpers. I raised to $90 (4.5xBB)
Both limpers call.

Flop: 7h 4h Ts
Checked to me and I bet 170. Both call. So I'm thinking maybe a mid PP that didn't hit yet, AK, or a heart draw for either player. If the turn doesn't show a heart it's time to scare these guys away.

Turn 7h 4h Ts Ks
Villain1 bets 360. Villain2 calls. I raise to 900.
Villain1 raises AI. Villain2 folds.........I take inventory of what he could possibly have and I think KK would have played different at every betting stage. TT is possible but again I think it would have played a bit heavier than a limp preflop. And there's no reason to shove for a flush or straight draw. Still yet, I would have more cards in the deck than him. So I call.

River 7h 4h Ts Ks 5s
Villain1 shows QsTs and a flush to my 3 of a kind.

Thoughts? Suggestions? Convstructive criticism?

[jyms]

If the turn doesn't show a heart it's time to scare these guys away.

What????!!!!! No

[Warpe]

stacks?

[Soothsayer]

It was pretty early in the tournament. We were all pretty even?

Trainer: No to betting strong so that a heart draw would fold out?

[Warpe]

No to betting strong so that a heart draw would fold out?

right action, wrong reason.

I'd just shove the turn if there's not much left behind.

Edit: wrong forum, btw.

[Keilah]

I'd have either raised a little more pre (~110) or limped behind. I'd also bet more on the flop, and include hands like T9s, JTs, ATs in villains' flop call range. Turn is fine unless the stacks make bet sizing important, which is possible.

QsTs is impossible as the Ts came on the flop. A minor memory error I'm sure.

Seems like you played it pretty good. All the money went in on the turn when you were ahead; what more can you do?

[Soothsayer]

Oh you're right Keilah. I believe it was 9s in his hand.

Warp: Right action, wrong reason? Can you elaborate? And where should this post have gone instead?

Sorry for the misplacement but ty for the quick replies.

[Stacks]

Nothing you can do. You got it in as a favorite and lost to a draw. You won ev.

Anyways, I'm with keilah and would have probably limped behind, since 77 is played for set value.

Also regarding the betting on the turn if it isn't a heart if the right move, but you don't want them to fold. However you have to bet enough so that they are chasing the flush against the odds if they do call, which is them making a mistake. I'm pretty sure that's what Warpe and Jym was getting at. It may seem like I want him out of the hand so he can't draw out and win, however you should be thinking I want him to call this bet when he doesn't have the right odds so that he is making a mistake and I profit in the long run.

[Stacks]

Oh and regarding the placement of the thread it depends on whether it was a MTT or a SNG. There is a seperate SNG forum and a seperate MTT forum. You, however, posted in the cash game forum.

[Warpe]

{moved from FR forum}

[KoRnholio]

{moved from FR forum} [b][moved to the bad beat forum]

FYP. To the OP: You got all in with the 3rd nuts against a donkey on a draw, who happened to hit this time. If you won the hand would you question your play/have posted it here?

[Soothsayer]

No I wouldn't have questioned it, Korn. Is that wrong?

The last hand I posted on this forum that I thought was a cooler.....I was told I don't know how to play poker. Haha.

[chardrian]

Nope, it's not wrong - it's just part of the learning process.

Keep posting, keep learning.

As far as the hand and some of the commentary that followed. If an opponent has TT (or an unlikely KK) there, you just chalk it up as bad luck. On a non spade turn - you are so far ahead that your goal is to get your opponents to put as much money as they will into the pot; that's why you would never want to scare them away. Of course you don't want to bet so little to give them pot odds for the draw or a free card either, but shoving to have them fold a draw is not the right thought process.

p.s. the villain's play here was fine too.

[MitchellC]

If you all had about 3k, you need to move all-in on the turn after you are raised. He will probably call and that's poker when he sucks out on you.

And, if you and your opponent have deeper stacks, you need to re-raise him BIG on the turn so he is getting poor value to call. Expected value is a nice concept and all, but opponents will call if they think they can suck out without much risk.

Often, the Online poker players need a strong message to fold these crazy draws on the turn. IMHO