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  1. #1

    Default $5.50, Straight flush draw, Level V

    PokerStars Game #17763339924: Tournament #90074248, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/05/28 - 22:18:18 (ET)
    Table '90074248 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: RML604 (1580 in chips)
    Seat 2: ucitsme (3313 in chips)
    Seat 3: fredoparty (2048 in chips)
    Seat 7: Deathspell (1095 in chips)
    Seat 9: mighty_miked (5464 in chips)
    mighty_miked: posts small blind 75
    RML604: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to RML604 [Js Ts]
    ucitsme: calls 150
    fredoparty: folds
    Deathspell: folds
    mighty_miked: calls 75
    RML604: checks
    *** FLOP *** [2c Ks Qs]
    mighty_miked: checks
    RML604: checks
    ucitsme: bets 300
    mighty_miked: folds
    RML604: ?

    2 Questions.
    1, do I go ahead and push here?
    2, should I just push on the flop instead of the check/push?

    I'm pretty sure my answer to 1 is correct, don't know about 2.
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    Not sure what the best play is here, but I would semi-bluff lead flop. (1) you have the chance of taking it down (2) you have 15 outs which (depending on his hand) makes you a favorite I believe and (3) with your 10bb stack I'm pretty sure we can't fold a huge draw like this. And I'd definately call a shove from either villian in this case.

    The other play would be to check/shove allin on the flop, but we can't be sure if either villian will fire, which I'm not sure if that is a good or bad thing here. Bad because with a draw like this and our stack I want to get it in on the flop, but good because we get a free card to see if we connect (however if we miss out draw is significantly reduced).

    So, not sure. I would lean toward leading the flop looking to get it in on the flop if possible.
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    Just remembered your two questions.

    I assume with #1 you are talking shoving preflop. I don't quite like that option. Your stack isn't hurting too bad at this moment and you have room to find a stronger hand or a better spot before shoving. So I would check preflop, and I definately wouldn't open shove the flop. Not sure if I check/shove or standard bet/call a shove here. A better player will help with that.
  4. #4
    Yes and yes, IMO.

    Yes to the first due to your stack size and probability that you are ahead.

    Yes to the second because it gives you an extra way to take down the pot.
  5. #5
    As played, absolutely re-raise AI in this spot, folding would be terrible. You're actually a favourite to win against anything other than a set or a higher flush draw (and even then you're like 40/60).

    As to whether to lead or C-R AI, it is read dependent. Against aggressive opps I think checking with the intention or raising AI is the right play. Against passive players, I think checking is probably right too since you don't mind getting a free card with all of your outs, but if you bet, get called and miss the turn you've lost value from your hand (since your chance of hitting your monster draw just halved). So all in all, I think I prefer checking rather than leading.
  6. #6
    Thanks all, I did push and villain showed Kx. I thought it was the obvious right play, but after catching the straight on the river, villain told me what a stupid push it was. I just wanted to double check that I was right.
  7. #7
    With an M of 6 and just two limpers, is anyone shoving this pre?
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  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by kevster
    With an M of 6 and just two limpers, is anyone shoving this pre?
    I'm not shoving this from the BB when I get to see a flop for free.
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  9. #9
    I like C/R AI here as well. 5 handed with a K and Q on the board makes it unlikely to get checked around so you can be fairly confident that someone will bet after you and you have fold equity plus 17 outs when you shove.

    I hate betting out, getting one or 2 calls and seeing a blank on the turn and having to make a tough decision.
  10. #10
    I don't think you ever fold Kx with a CR, so unless you think they will lead worse I would bet flop. Mostly shove the turn if you miss and it is heads up.

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