FTR Guantlet - Squeeze play ?

[TLR]

The following hand is posted per Kevester's request, it is taken from last night's guantlet

PokerStars Game #17845436750: Tournament #88304190, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/06/01 - 15:22:00 (ET)
Table '88304190 3' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: sbedvek (1860 in chips)
Seat 2: pankfish (1195 in chips)
Seat 3: Shifubowa (2650 in chips)
Seat 4: Nicovelz (1025 in chips)
Seat 5: Forty2u (1929 in chips)
Seat 6: ackthecat (1995 in chips)
Seat 7: fimanoid (1390 in chips)
Seat 9: Triptanes (1396 in chips)
Triptanes: posts small blind 15
sbedvek: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Forty2u [Tc Jc]
pankfish: folds
sbedvek said, "I love monkeys"
Shifubowa: folds
Nicovelz: calls 30
Forty2u: raises 60 to 90
ackthecat: folds
fimanoid: folds
Triptanes: calls 75
sbedvek said, "there's a monkey world over here"
sbedvek: raises 160 to 250
Nicovelz: folds
Forty2u: calls 160
Triptanes: raises 1146 to 1396 and is all-in
sbedvek: folds
Forty2u: folds
Uncalled bet (1146) returned to Triptanes
Triptanes said, "WHEN SQUEEZE PLAYS GO WILD"
Triptanes collected 780 from pot
Triptanes: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 780 | Rake 0
Seat 1: sbedvek (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: pankfish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Shifubowa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Nicovelz folded before Flop
Seat 5: Forty2u folded before Flop
Seat 6: ackthecat folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: fimanoid (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Triptanes (small blind) collected (780)

[taipan168]

It could be a squeeze play by Triptanes, if I was sbedvek I think I call unless he was trying to squeeze himself.

BTW with JTs I would probably limp behind rather than raising and I definitely get the hell out once sbedvek raises

[Skeeno]

The Gauntlet does strange things to you though. Like shoving a god horrible hand like Q5o after UTG standard raises.

As played it looks to me like sbevdek has the best of this, can't see many sane players flat calling AA/KK. Therefore he may be stealing this pot, I'd probably call with AQ+/99 plus if I'm sbevdek.

[Skeeno]

Plus if sbedvek has a decent hand worth raising; 160 into a pot already worth 210 seems odd.

[TLR]

I like to raise it pre sometimes, especially in agressive games like the guantlet, since it gives you more leverage to pick the pot after the flop.
I should have folded to the raise, my thought at that time was the triptanes was probably calling or folding and I have good implied odds to stack someone if I hit 2 pair or better

[kmind]

Edit: Misread HH. Trip's gotta have a monster range here.

[meeloche]

I know nothing about sit and go's however I'm folding cause trip should be on a level where your at best flipping maybe.

[taipan168]

I like to raise it pre sometimes, especially in agressive games like the guantlet, since it gives you more leverage to pick the pot after the flop.
I should have folded to the raise, my thought at that time was the triptanes was probably calling or folding and I have good implied odds to stack someone if I hit 2 pair or better

Stacks are not deep enough for you to have correct implied odds, you hit 2 pair or better on the flop about 5% of the time so you need to be able to win at least 20x the amount you need to call. I am not sure how often you flop a monster draw but that is not necessarily "money in the bank". Plus you need to factor in reverse implied odds.

[TLR]

I like to raise it pre sometimes, especially in agressive games like the guantlet, since it gives you more leverage to pick the pot after the flop.
I should have folded to the raise, my thought at that time was the triptanes was probably calling or folding and I have good implied odds to stack someone if I hit 2 pair or better

Stacks are not deep enough for you to have correct implied odds, you hit 2 pair or better on the flop about 5% of the time so you need to be able to win at least 20x the amount you need to call. I am not sure how often you flop a monster draw but that is not necessarily "money in the bank". Plus you need to factor in reverse implied odds.

Yep, I should have folded to the reraise

[kmind]

I reraise pre to like 109 and fold to the reraise but I aint limping this

[kevster]

Edit: Misread HH. Trip's gotta have a monster range here.

I knew this - he's sat to my right in both Gauntlet's I've played this year - and also felt it could be a squeeze. Even so, I was worried about TLR.

Reading this thread now and giving it more thought, I guess folding was a huge mistake and something I'll hopefully learn from.

I had QQ.

[kevster]

Thanks for the post TLR

[TLR]

Thanks for the post TLR

sure

BTW I would not fold QQ here, I might fold JJ

[drmcboy]

folding QQ to trip is burning money

your 3 bet is too small

[kevster]

Yeah, I know. I agonised for ages then folded and kicked myself almost straight afterwards. I think I felt it was a call but then folded.

[lolzzz_321]

Transcript for game #17845436750 requested by Triptanes
*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #17845436750: Tournament #88304190, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/06/01 - 15:22:00 (ET)
Table '88304190 3' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: sbedvek (1860 in chips)
Seat 2: pankfish (1195 in chips)
Seat 3: Shifubowa (2650 in chips)
Seat 4: Nicovelz (1025 in chips)
Seat 5: Forty2u (1929 in chips)
Seat 6: ackthecat (1995 in chips)
Seat 7: fimanoid (1390 in chips)
Seat 9: Triptanes (1396 in chips)
Triptanes: posts small blind 15
sbedvek: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Triptanes [Ah Ac]
pankfish: folds
sbedvek said, "I love monkeys"
Shifubowa: folds
Nicovelz: calls 30
Forty2u: raises 60 to 90
ackthecat: folds
fimanoid: folds
Triptanes: calls 75
sbedvek said, "there's a monkey world over here"
sbedvek: raises 160 to 250
Nicovelz: folds
Forty2u: calls 160
Triptanes: raises 1146 to 1396 and is all-in
sbedvek: folds
Forty2u: folds
Uncalled bet (1146) returned to Triptanes
Triptanes said, "WHEN SQUEEZE PLAYS GO WILD"
Triptanes collected 780 from pot
Triptanes: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 780 | Rake 0
Seat 1: sbedvek (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: pankfish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Shifubowa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Nicovelz folded before Flop
Seat 5: Forty2u folded before Flop
Seat 6: ackthecat folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: fimanoid (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Triptanes (small blind) collected (780)

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[GatorJH]

It looks like Phil Helmuth isn't the only one that can dodge bullets!!!!!

[kevster]

Well well. I guess I cheated you out of a few chips there. nh, trip.

I can't claim a great laydown but I'm a little happier reading this.