Weak-tight Bubbles Kinda Piss Me Off!

[Im_new]

I just bubbled on the most weak and tight table in history....seriously. I was aggressive...very aggressive and I ducked when any of them decided to fire unless I had the cards. Now heres my problem/question:

When dealing with these players-- none of them know ANYTHING about proper push/fold ICM-- what do you do when thinking about stack sizes in relation to your aggression? So often there would be a guy in the SB with 6,000 in chips, the blinds are 200/400, and the BB has 2,000 chips left. ------SB folds. BB wins the pot----- W-T-F???!!!! This really pisses me off every single time because I know to shove ATC because of ICM play. Meanwhile you're trying to get into the money, and somewhat waiting for the shorty to leave.

What should I do when this is happening at my table? The short stacks aren't going anywhere it seems.... I'm being aggressive and taking down many pots PF...my monsters aren't getting any value because everyone is folding.... the blinds absolutely REFUSE to shove anything or play any BVB play, the bubble is going on FOREVER!

Then someone finally calls my shoving. I lose because he had a monster...Now I'm short stacked and angry... I get another call...I'm out. The short stacks should have been taken out by ICM play a LONG LONG TIME ago....I'm more pissed lol.

What is your strategy?

[mcdonough22]

Shove into that weak big stack a little wider than normal. Not too much because these guys will make a mistake first if you let them. Also shove just enough to keep from being the shortest stack unless you've got the goods. If you're at 2000 with other stacks of 6000, 2000, and 1000, take the blinds of the other 2000 stack every other orbit. Thats all it'll take usually. You'll still get unlucky sometimes.

[mcdonough22]

By the way, NO ONE at low levels knows what ICM is, so dont expect any of them to play by it. As long as you are playing ICM and adjusting push/call ranges to weak/tight, you'll come out ahead.

[bjsaust]

Lol, this situation is probably THE most frustrating one for me in STTs even now. Probably the only place where I still get steamed up.

[fjuanl]

Yeah the spew-donk on the bubble is one of my biggest pet-peeves. As far as uber-tight people in bvb situations, theres nothing you can do but watch the hugely -EV folds

[Rage2100]

The only thing more annoying than this is when someone keeps folding to a player who has disconnected or gone for dinner or something. It is so blatantly obvious there is nobody sitting there but some players can't seem to notice it. Not a good sign really!

[bjsaust]

Heh, I did that HU once. On FTP its not obvious when they're disconnected, I just thought he was weak as hell. Luckily the guy out in 3rd (wtf, called his stack off with someone disconnected with bottom pair) stayed around long enough to tell me what was up.