Has this test ever been done?

[celtic123]

I used to play Bridge, Duplicate bridge.

I reached quite a high level , and I new my Maths and percentages and how to apply them to my game.

Them days are gone now, and in the past they shall remain, but I can still raise and be that man again.

Which brings me to my question.

Has this test ever been done?

Two or more poker tables in different rooms , with exactly six players per table and the pack of cards in each room being in exactly the same order, card for card.as the ever other room no shuffling ,each card being dealt in sequence .

So players in different rooms, get dealt the same hands as players in other rooms but have their own free will on how to bet ?

Its probable easy to set up .

Has a test like this ever been done?
I think this test would eliminate luck and produce a truer champion of the WSOP.

[Warpe]

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[Da GOAT]

im feeling a tad faint

[Evansgambit]

I think someone alrady came up with this idea. It was some new kind of internet poker, "duplicate poker"? - I can't remember the name. But basically they claimed it was legal in some states, because it took the "luck part" away from the game. If anyone knows the name of the game, post it here please.

But basically the same concept. You create a fixed scenario for each player, where that player is put under the same circumstances - same hole cards, same position, same opponents, same flop, board cards, etc. And you keep score by seeing which players win the most chips at the set time intervals. Since all conditions are supposedly the same, I guess you could measure some level of skill ability - with caution of course.

But how they can claim it is a 100% skill game, beats me.

[Stacks]

Uhhh... I think you are overlooking how flawed of an idea that is. If we ("the man") was to fix the situations then every decision would be predetermined. Which would piss the shit out of Mr. KK when he goes busto against Mr. AA preflop allin, or some similiar situation when a cooler is bound to happen.

Luck is a big part of poker. However, what seperates a good player from a bad player is that a bad player relies on it, while a good player does his best to eliminate it by playing with the odds, reading hands, etc. and so on.

[ultros8]

As far as I can tell, the proposal isn't to pre-determine the hands dealt, which would clearly be silly, but rather deal the same hands to players on all tables. It's still random, just a test of how different players respond to the same scenario.

Obviously the only way for this to be played would be in some kind of tournament form - i.e. as suggested, to determine a 'true' best player. If it were tried at all levels then the fish would quickly lose their money and not come back.

[celtic123]

It would give a whole new dimension to the game, the cards wouldnt be fixed. Just duplicated.

Perfect play would win the end of the day.

[Stacks]

[quote="ultros8"]If it were tried at all levels then the fish would quickly lose their money and not come back.[/quote]

Which is not a good outcome.

[Smith]

With a little bit of thinking you would realize this wouldn't be practical because of this....

If you remember what flops and cards you held in a spot you would quickly remember what somebody elses cards are holding "exactly" (since you held those two cards a few hours ago in the duplicate scenario). Even in a 6max game done 6 tables simultaneously you would know the cards.

It would work if we were all computers and could duplicate all the cards and flops, and were able to delete our memories...

Therefore truely randomness makes poker sweet in the end....

[Keilah]

Duplication doesn't guarantee perfect play wins. If I have trip aces and you call my allin PSB on the turn with a flush draw, you just made a horrible play... but if it hits, you'll still make money while all the better players who fold will lose money that hand.

[celtic123]

I was wandering around the site and I have seen a link to this kind of game.


I have no interest in playing, maybe if i get burned out playing NLHE ill have a dabble.I know it will be a whole new game with other dimensions.

[Ragnar4]

I used to play Bridge, Duplicate bridge.

I reached quite a high level , and I new my Maths and percentages and how to apply them to my game.

Them days are gone now, and in the past they shall remain, but I can still raise and be that man again.

Which brings me to my question.

Has this test ever been done?

Two or more poker tables in different rooms , with exactly six players per table and the pack of cards in each room being in exactly the same order, card for card.as the ever other room no shuffling ,each card being dealt in sequence .

So players in different rooms, get dealt the same hands as players in other rooms but have their own free will on how to bet ?

Its probable easy to set up .

Has a test like this ever been done?
I think this test would eliminate luck and produce a truer champion of the WSOP.

Yes it has been done. Duplicate poker has even had several articles written about it in Card Player Magizne. there were 9 tables all playing duplicate Holdem. All of the duplicate hands had been taken from a game played by professionals a week previously... so Flop to turn to river every player was dealt the same card. If a player was eliminated, his hand was still dealt to his seat, then mucked. That means if there was a suckout.. oh-well. it already happened once. AA got cracked By KK and QQ throughout the tourney. Holding up like 7 other times.

It was a shootout, with the Final table being a non-duplicate table.

There was also another tournament that played for like 1000 hands, and the biggest chipstack was the winner.

[SpenSamp]

This is confusing...

[swiggidy]

I think I saw an article about HU pro vs computer, and what they did was have 2 pros play simultaneously. So two different players, but the computer got the reverse luck odds to minimize variance.

Pros won, but it was decently close.