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  1. #1

    Default Am I going bust here no matter what?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    saw flop|saw showdown

    MP3 (t1480)
    CO (t1400)
    Button (t1420)
    SB (t1580)
    BB (t1500)
    UTG (t1620)
    UTG+1 (t1500)
    Hero (t1500)
    MP2 (t1500)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, A.
    UTG raises to t100, 1 fold, Hero calls t100, 6 folds.

    Flop: (t230) 3, A, A (2 players)
    UTG bets t140, Hero calls t140.

    Turn: (t510) 4 (2 players)
    UTG bets t395, Hero raises to t1260, UTG calls t865.

    River: (t3030) 5 (2 players)

    Final Pot: t3030

    Results in white below:
    UTG has Kh Ac (three of a kind, aces).
    Hero has Qh Ad (three of a kind, aces).
    Outcome: UTG wins t3030.
  2. #2
    ...simply put, YES!


    "Gotta run well eventually."
  3. #3
    Yes, I am never folding that ever.
  4. #4
    LOL, yeah this is made to go broke and you know what, be happy bout it LOL. Cause your not to blame.
  5. #5
    vs a solid player, I'd be tempted to fold preflop. What is a solid player's UTG raising range in the first blind level? TT+, AJ+/KQ+?

    AQ doesn't fare that well vs that range, and when v is willing to play for stacks postflop, we're rarely ahead.

    Too nitty?
  6. #6
    Well I recently read an article, and I can't remember who it was by (TLR?), but they said they fold AKo and AQo to a raise early in a SnG almost always, and fold AQo in EP religiously. While youll be in position to the pflop raiser you'll too alsooften be facing a monster hand. That seems to be consistent strategy to almost never cc a raise from the person UTG, especially with KJ, KQ, AQ-AT. Just throw these hands away. I wrote this before reading the result.

    ...

    After the result, that just proves the point. AQ is terrible against a raise, and it just isn't worth the risk of domination when the blinds are so low. In these situations the fear of domination should be overwhelming. Sorry for your beat.
    Ich grolle nicht...
  7. #7
    I have to agree with Dozer and Illfavor here. I'm folding AQ to an EP raise (>x4) unless the opponent is loose-aggressive. Calling is also acceptable but you have to realise that sometimes you are going to be dominated, and it's going to cost you a whole bunch of chips.
  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by d0zer
    vs a solid player, I'd be tempted to fold preflop. What is a solid player's UTG raising range in the first blind level? TT+, AJ+/KQ+?
    My raising range from UTG level 1 is JJ+, AQ+ (I limp 22-TT and dump everything else). Don't know if I'm a solid player, but I do have a positive ROI over 2500 games

    I agree with the fold preflop. If we were on the Button I might call and play carefully postflop on an A or Q high flop; if opp is LAGG I definitely call however. As played, you're definitely going broke on that flop and if UTG is a tight player, take the hand as a reminder as to why you fold AQ to such a player's range
  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by taipan168
    My raising range from UTG level 1 is JJ+, AQ+ (I limp 22-TT and dump everything else). Don't know if I'm a solid player, but I do have a positive ROI over 2500 games
    You know damn right you're a solid player

    I picked a slightly tighter UTG raising range than my full ring cash raising range, cause I wanted one of you tourney grinders to correct me.

    I just post my gut instincts for hands in the SnG/MTT forums and wait for people who know what they're talking about to straighten up my cash-donk ass
  10. #10
    I don't think PF call is too bad against unknown. What buy in is this? Its about the worst hand I would call with besides set hunting.

    Regardless as played you have to stack for sure. opp could do this with any ace and sometimes even with 1010+
  11. #11
    $6.50 PokerStars 2 tables. Blinds were 10/20, so level 1.

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