a9s all in here?

[hangchiong]

should i have push all in here?quite dissapointed on this push here,not sure whether it was +EV or not


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PokerStars Game #19078829969: Tournament #97788962, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/07/24 - 21:57:13 (ET)
Table '97788962 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 2: AlexG1138 (6171 in chips)
Seat 3: TheRockAA (4030 in chips)
Seat 4: hangchiong (2135 in chips)
Seat 7: dealtAA (1164 in chips)
AlexG1138: posts small blind 100
TheRockAA: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hangchiong [9d Ad]
hangchiong: raises 1935 to 2135 and is all-in
dealtAA: folds
AlexG1138: calls 2035
TheRockAA: folds
*** FLOP *** [3c 6c 5h]
*** TURN *** [3c 6c 5h] [4s]
*** RIVER *** [3c 6c 5h 4s] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
AlexG1138: shows [8h 8d] (a pair of Eights)
hangchiong: shows [9d Ad] (high card Ace)
AlexG1138 collected 4470 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4470 | Rake 0
Board [3c 6c 5h 4s Jh]
Seat 2: AlexG1138 (small blind) showed [8h 8d] and won (4470) with a pair of Eights
Seat 3: TheRockAA (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: hangchiong showed [9d Ad] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 7: dealtAA (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Im_new]

I don't think so... I think we're shoving AQ+ here... I'm guessing this without any program, so I'm not exactly sure.

[Illfavor]

AQ+ is good I think. Must be very tight UTG until you're 3-handed.

[TheScientist23]

If your not the shortstack and desperate, pushing anything below AQ can get you into trouble most times. Just let the shortstack push with a marginal hand like A9 and one of the deepstacks call them with a low to mid pocket pair and bust them out.

[GatorJH]

according to SNGWIZ this is a clear fold and you should only be pushing something like TT+AK+ here (based on calling ranges. Loose calling ranges push this down a bit, but not to A9s).

[zachaser]

Pushing here is actually good if blinds are at 200/400/25, but I'm pretty sure A9s it close to the minimum needed in CO on bubble with your stack size.

[givememyleg]

umm, wat

all-in

[taipan168]

Haven't run it through SNG Wiz, but this is almost certainly not a shove.

[hangchiong]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,097,572,400 games 0.031 secs 67,663,625,806 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 62.781% 61.51% 01.27% 1290209940 26671475.50 { Ad9d }
Hand 1: 37.219% 35.95% 01.27% 754019509 26671475.50 { random }

i run through pokerstove(kinda new at it)
is the results suppose to look like this.

[drtofu66]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,097,572,400 games 0.031 secs 67,663,625,806 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 62.781% 61.51% 01.27% 1290209940 26671475.50 { Ad9d }
Hand 1: 37.219% 35.95% 01.27% 754019509 26671475.50 { random }

i run through pokerstove(kinda new at it)
is the results suppose to look like this.

Well, when the SB calls, he has better than a random hand since he's not going to risk losing 1/3 of his stack and sacrifice the chip lead with 62o, so you're going to need to adjust his range. There's no way you're 60% to win the hand if he calls. What his range exactly is, is up to you.

I'd put ATs+, AJo+, and pairs down to like 55 in his range for sure. Run that in PS and you'll see why this probably isn't a shove.

[taipan168]

No, you need to download SNG Wiz if you don't already have it and run it through that. It has a 30 day free trial...

Anyway, with the following assumptions. If you shove:

- Button calls with 8% of hands (66+, AT+)
- SB calls with 12% of hands (44+, A9o+, A7s+, KJs+)
- BB calls with 10% of hands (55+, ATo+, A8s+, KQs)

- If you fold, Button shoves 30% and the others call with 20%
- If you and Button fold, SB shoves 30% and BB calls with 2%

Then the EV of folding is 21.36% of the prize pool and the EV of shoving is 20.5% of the prize pool, so shoving is 0.86% EV worse than folding, so you should fold.

[givememyleg]

hmm well i didnt see this:

Seat 7: dealtAA (1164 in chips)

i mean i guess you could fold... what would calling ranges have to be for this to be +ev? folding to me seems sinful, but i'm a donk.

[Ryski]

Pretty clear fold considering your position and the presence of a shorter stack.

[fjuanl]

Very clear fold with the tiny-stack in there. Also a clear fold even if you were the shortest at the table.

SNGWiz Results:
With tight ranges from everyone (8%, 12%, 12%), this is -0.85EV which is pretty large (you want around +0.30 or so)

Varying the ranges a little, it recommends at minimum TT+, AQs+ to max at TT+ AK+

Other example:

If you assume stacks are a little more even:
UTG (Hero) - 2135
Button - 2500
SB - 6071
BB - 4000

There was still no way for me to tweak the range and make this a shove. At worst it was -0.80EV (for looser calling ranges) and at best it was -0.19EV. Minimum shove range that was recommended was 99+ AQ+