10 + 1

[Ragnar4]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 (t1480)
MP1 (t1670)
Hero (t1470)
MP3 (t1450)
CO (t1560)
Button (t1470)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1420)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T, 9.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t60, 1 fold, Hero raises to t180, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls t120.

Flop: (t390) T, 8, Q (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t300, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: t390

Standard?
Too early for reads, hand 5.

[mikeneron]

I don't think there's anything standard with re-raising with JTs in the first round of a SNG.

[GatorJH]

I am folding this pre-flop unless I have a read on villain.

[Im_new]

Gator, what kind of read would you need to justify this awful play this early?

Just instant fold this unless you're getting great odds, ~7:1-ish+, in the SB or on the button. And even then you're playing for two pair or better.

[taipan168]

Putting a bit more detail in the title would be helpful.

As played, I agree with the others, this is spew. In a cash game it wouldn't be too bad with the right reads but in a SNG where chip preservation is far more important, I play it like this 0% of the time.

What makes this even worse is that a) you're 3-betting an UTG+1 raiser and b) there are five players other than UTG+1 left to act.

[givememyleg]

nothing about this hand is standard for an $11 sng early....

[yourfather]

This is just a weird bluff. Don't need to be tricky, fold.

[drmcboy]

Well, anytime everyone says "ZOMG NO" I'm tempted to say yes. As you can see the good news is no one is putting you on T9s. As long as you don't over use it I don't think this is bad. I do wonder whether you may make more money just calling since T9s should play pretty well HU IP or in a multiway.

[Ryski]

Well, I don't think anyone is saying "ZOMG NO" because it's a bad play. Sure this is fine in cash or some structure where you can reload when you spew or lose chips. In a SNG you can't and it is a little ballsy to try this early.

But yeah, with no reads - not standard and very very spew.

Well, anytime everyone says "ZOMG NO" I'm tempted to say yes. As you can see the good news is no one is putting you on T9s. As long as you don't over use it I don't think this is bad. I do wonder whether you may make more money just calling since T9s should play pretty well HU IP or in a multiway.

[JKDS]

ya, but isnt the cbet bad too considering its such a well connected and drawy board? Besides, hes utg+1, without knowing anything about him isnt it better to assume hes strong here?

[Ryski]

I personally don't think the cbet is bad considering the re-raise preflop. Think of what he is trying to represent ( big pair ). That would not be a great flop to cbet if hero was the only raiser. I don't mind how the hand was played, I just don't like the hand selection, the position he's doing it from, and how early it is in the tournament.

[taipan168]

Well, anytime everyone says "ZOMG NO" I'm tempted to say yes. As you can see the good news is no one is putting you on T9s. As long as you don't over use it I don't think this is bad. I do wonder whether you may make more money just calling since T9s should play pretty well HU IP or in a multiway.

Buyin has a lot to do with this. At a higher buyin against a good reg, you'll mostly either get shoved over or steal his raise and 3-betting light like this can have metagame benefits, however at a lower buyin full of calling stations you can spew 1/3 of your stack 3-betting preflop then c-betting the flop.

[Ragnar4]

ok.. I thought I was playing at a high enough level that a bet like this would matter.

The reason I did it, was because I had read an article by Daniel Negranu suggesting that was was a pretty safe play early on in a tourney even from MP,

Apparently not sngs?

[taipan168]

ok.. I thought I was playing at a high enough level that a bet like this would matter.

No. If I was going to pick a player to do this against, it would be a known tight regular who will shove over with monster hands and fold everything else. You can't assume that $11 opps will play "correctly" and fold hands that you beat here (which is most hands).

The reason I did it, was because I had read an article by Daniel Negranu suggesting that was was a pretty safe play early on in a tourney even from MP,

Apparently not sngs?

As I said, it might work in a MTT against very good players but in a SNG where chips preservation is paramount (because there are only 13,500 chips total to win not several million), this is spew. Also, it's very dangerous to apply the advice from pro players to low buyin SNGs without understanding the context of their advice (prize structure of their tourney, reads on their opps, table dynamics, table image etc).