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    Default HU against a better player, $6.50

    This thread is mainly about my HU play against a better opponent. I've posted the whole tournament if you feel brave enough to wade through it all. I am confident there are lots of mistakes in it. I was particularly pleased with my bubble aggression which I have been trying to practice since reading SnG Tactics by Colin Moshman.

    I felt a bit out of my depth against my opponent HU. When we started to clash we weren't at the point of push/fold poker. I'll unashamedly admit here that I was outplayed and outclassed. When I limped he raised, when I raised he called. I knew I was struggling. I think I cracked a bit on the last hand, I really wanted to push the flop, but I had too much equity for that. To be honest I knew exactly what he was likely going to do. I called so fast I fell off the couch. I know the call looks ugly (even though the pot odds are 2:1) and I wouldn't make this call against a player I was comfortable playing, but should I have made this call or get picked to bits later?

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    1. A7s - fold this shit pretty quick, even from the HJ. Seriously, you want to limp this soooted crap and fold top set?

    2. 85o - bet the turn, you want to build the pot.

    4. A4s - fold fold fold fold fold preflop!

    T K BU (M = 7.28; f+f+F) (between 5 and 6) - could be a shove depending on stack sizes and reads on the blinds, but if it is a shove it'd be a pretty marginal one

    7. QTs - I fold this crap pretty quick, even from the SB. Chip preservation is paramount at this stage. As played, why shove top pair? I bet like 600 and get the rest in on the turn if called. By shoving you will (well, often) chase away hands you beat such as flush draws.

    8. 44 - good since the big stack is out of the way. If the big stack was in the BB this would be a bad shove.

    12. 53s - I would open fold this. Nothing wrong with open folding the very worst hands despite whatever Harrington says. Also, your stack is close to the point where you need to be shoving or folding preflop so I wouldn't limp.

    15. 22 - fine, but make a note that he completes with AA particularly if he otherwise shoves or folds with these blinds.

    16. K8o - I open shove it, I suspect that's unexploitable (ie. no matter whether he calls tight or loose, it's +EV).

    Q5o hand between 16 and 17 - I probably shove this

    18. KJo - I probably just shove preflop but your raise is OK. For god's sake, once he shoves over, GTFO! Sure, you actually had the best hand here but there are so many hands that beat you that would play like this - you're behind even A high here.
  3. #3
    Guest
    why would you fold any suited hand heads up?
    plus it's connected
    I would probably agree open folding other crap, but I would call 53s from the SB ten handed, much less heads up

    in fact I raise this heads-up and c-bet an ace flop/draws
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    1. A7s Normally I try fold this crap ... but with 2 loose opponents likely to limp it's a chance to stack these guys.

    4. Same trick against 2 loose opponents. I think I can get away pretty quick if there is action.

    K10. Agreed, although the blinds are the 2 loosest players on the table. I push K10 and I'll probably get a call.

    7. Q10s. I'm getting 6:1 on the limp call. I know I'm running low, but at 6:1 surely this fine? I'm shoving TP because I thought I'm sensitive to over-cards? Perhaps you can clear up my thought process here?

    8. 44 Never, ever pushing this against the big-stack

    9. 53s mmm ... yes I usually don't complete with crap like this although i was attempting a smooth-call blind steal. i.e. check-check .... I bet the turn. Got the idea from the most recent book I was reading. I don't think it's for me tho.

    16. K8o I agree this is a shove. I remember at the time considering it. Once I saw it in the hand replayed I was screaming at myself.

    Q5o - why shove this? I think I'm missing a trick here.

    KJ0 - you would push with an opponent with that many chips?
  5. #5
    Guest
    actually you're pretty low on chips here I was thinking a little deeper
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    I think I agree. This play has to be made with more chips in the back-burner.
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Nakamura
    1. A7s Normally I try fold this crap ... but with 2 loose opponents likely to limp it's a chance to stack these guys.
    Don't "try" to fold this crap, just DO it! Also, read up on the times that you actually flop a flush or a flush draw, it's not that often - plus a flush or FD sticks out like dog's balls so you often won't get paid unless somebody else flopped a lower flush or flush draw (which is even less likely).

    Quote Originally Posted by Nakamura
    4. Same trick against 2 loose opponents. I think I can get away pretty quick if there is action.
    Um, no. Actually this is even worse than hand 1 because blinds have gone up, decreasing your implied odds. There's also the risk that you lose a lot of chips before finding out you're beat on an A high flop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nakamura
    K10. Agreed, although the blinds are the 2 loosest players on the table. I push K10 and I'll probably get a call.
    Post the exact hand with the stacks and I'll run it through SNG Wiz. I'm not sure you actually want a call here with KT.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nakamura
    7. Q10s. I'm getting 6:1 on the limp call. I know I'm running low, but at 6:1 surely this fine? I'm shoving TP because I thought I'm sensitive to over-cards? Perhaps you can clear up my thought process here?
    Yes, you're getting great pot odds but the limp is like 6% of your stack and since you're squarely in push/fold territory you want to save your chips for a pushing spot. Plus, as you saw, you could lose a lot of chips on a Q or T high flop if opp limped a better Q/T hand.

    On the flop, you are vulnerable to overcards and the flop is very drawy, which is why I would bet full pot. The thing is, you WANT opps to call with their draws since unless they have a monster combo draw (like OESFD or FD + overcards etc.) they are not getting the right price to call a pot sized bet. If you WANT them to call, then give them a chance to make a mistake by betting a bit less rather than blowing them out of the pot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nakamura
    9. 53s mmm ... yes I usually don't complete with crap like this although i was attempting a smooth-call blind steal. i.e. check-check .... I bet the turn. Got the idea from the most recent book I was reading. I don't think it's for me tho.
    Sounds like a case of FPS to me, for which there isn't a lot of room at the $6.50s with blinds so large.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nakamura
    Q5o - why shove this? I think I'm missing a trick here.
    If opp is a good player, he won't call you light here meaning that you steal the 700 in dead chips most of the time. Plus if he calls you, the worst you'll often be is a 40/60 dog.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nakamura
    KJ0 - you would push with an opponent with that many chips?
    Meh, could go either way. Pushing certainly puts the tough decision on opp, but as I said, raising is OK too.
  8. #8
    PokerStars Game #19163898570: Tournament #98494563, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/07/28 - 06:52:01 (ET)
    Table '98494563 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: Fat Boy Bon (2003 in chips)
    Seat 4: Slim8r (1925 in chips)
    Seat 6: ian_sloss (3992 in chips)
    Seat 7: eNakamura (2185 in chips)
    Seat 9: mj061671 (3395 in chips)
    mj061671: posts small blind 100
    Fat Boy Bon: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to eNakamura [Td Kc]
    Slim8r: folds
    ian_sloss: folds
    eNakamura: folds
    mj061671: raises 400 to 600
    Fat Boy Bon: calls 400
    *** FLOP *** [Tc 6c 3s]
    mj061671: bets 600
    Fat Boy Bon: folds
    Uncalled bet (600) returned to mj061671
    mj061671 collected 1200 from pot
    mj061671: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1200 | Rake 0
    Board [Tc 6c 3s]
    Seat 1: Fat Boy Bon (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 4: Slim8r folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: ian_sloss folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: eNakamura (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: mj061671 (small blind) collected (1200)

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