AK misses the flop ($11).

[Rage2100]

Button is a break-even regular who I have played against a lot. I have seen him float bets a load of times, and then try and take the pot on later streets. What is the best play here? Just fire again? I'm pretty sure he will bet if I check. I did think of a check-raise, but if he bets 500, he will only have 885 remaining. Although, I have seen him get caught out before, and fold, leaving himself with around 800 chips after putting in about 1500, calling the flop and the turn.

Big Blind is t50 (9 handed)

UTG (t910)
UTG+1 (t2130)
MP1 (t1370)
MP2 (t1860)
MP3 (t1405)
Hero (t1975)
Button (t1785)
SB (t2165)
BB (t1400)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K , A .
5 folds, Hero raises to t150, Button calls t150, 2 folds

Flop: (t375) 8 , 2 , 5 (2 players)
Hero bets t250, Button calls t250

Turn: (t875) 2 (2 players)
Hero ??

[mukaka]

I wouldn't bother man.. the board was pretty dry when he called which is scary from a reg.. he's probably not going anywhere..

[taipan168]

Mostly I would just c/f here, but with your specific read against this specific opponent I would fire again for 450 and give up if called or raised (unless you spike an A or K on the river).

[fjuanl]

Unless you have a specific read that
a) opp thinks your a good, winning player
b) you think opp can make tough folds (ex: here with 99, 77, 66)

I'd just give up seeing the board pair on the turn. If villian is really crazy about floating (like if you think he could do this with AJ/AT/KQ type hands), you have to fire the turn if you decide to cbet the flop

Deciding whether to cbet the flop for me depends on what I think his preflop range is. I'm guessing a breakeven regular who can play tricky at times can have a pretty wide range on the BTN from a CO raise. In that case, I like your cbet because villians range missed almost completely

[drmcboy]

So we know he's going to call the flop, we have the nut nothing, he'll often put us in a bad spot on the turn after a c bet......

[donkbee]

So we know he's going to call the flop, we have the nut nothing, he'll often put us in a bad spot on the turn after a c bet......

^this. Why bet the flop with the information you have already?

[TLR]

So we know he's going to call the flop, we have the nut nothing, he'll often put us in a bad spot on the turn after a c bet......

^this. Why bet the flop with the information you have already?

Yep, with your read you need to be ready to fire the second barrel if you fired the first one.
However if you know he floats and then bets turn you can check-raise turn

[Rage2100]

So we know he's going to call the flop, we have the nut nothing, he'll often put us in a bad spot on the turn after a c bet......

^this. Why bet the flop with the information you have already?

Yep, with your read you need to be ready to fire the second barrel if you fired the first one.
However if you know he floats and then bets turn you can check-raise turn

I wasn't thinking of check/folding here. I had seeen villain pick up loads of chips by floating in the past. He seems to pick up on the tightness of other regulars, and take loads of pots after they check. I just wondered what was best here, lead the turn or check-raise? Or am I getting too tricky myself? As you've all said, if I'm going to check/fold to a turn bet, I may as well check/fold the flop, but it just feels like I'm being walked over against this player.

[fjuanl]

I dont think your deep enough to be thinking about check/raising the turn with this hand (leaves villian pretty commited to your shove). IMO lead flop, c/r turn would be a great line with something like JJ+, but not when you don't have a pair yet

[bjsaust]

I c/f this flop a lot. People disagree so I'm not confident I'm right to do so, but keeping my chips in my stack in marginal spots cant be too wrong.

[drmcboy]

rage I can't tell if you're serious but just don't bet the flop.

cbets work because people usually miss and fold, if someone does not usually fold then you stop betting when you miss and bet (often more) when you hit. That's especially true since your hand has show down value and you can call a bet on the flop or turn to try and make a hand/get to river.

Change your hand to something like A5 or 77 and play it like you would play that against this opp because it's basically the same. You like your hand but do not want to get into a spot where he can put your stack on the line.

Attempting a value check raise to get the max from his KQ is awesome in theory but way more complicated than need be. Even goof balls get hands and my guess is he isn't floating without one as much as you think.

[sk8r_daniel]

Great post DRMcboy.

There are two ways to get chips from players, figure out how to make them fold, or let them call/bet chips into your made hand. If he is just going to call then there isn't much point in betting.

Out of curiosity, what does this player do if you check? Does he attempt to steal the pot alot or just check behind?

[Rage2100]

Out of curiosity, what does this player do if you check? Does he attempt to steal the pot alot or just check behind?

He bets the flop almost every time when someone checks to him. Occasionally, he will check if an A comes, but apart from that, he seems to bet.


Thanks for the replies everyone. I do usually stick to an ABC style, but in this hand, I was trying something a bit fancy, probably a bit too fancy for the $11s.