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  1. #1

    Default I'm never good here, right?

    Was going through my DB and this came up.

    Not many hands on my opponent. Assume he's not a reg and hasn't done anything crazy.

    $1/$2 No Limit Holdem
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    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    Hero ($225.00)
    UTG+1 ($210.05)
    CO ($309.20)
    BTN ($224.45)
    SB ($198.00)
    BB ($200.00)

    Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is UTG
    Hero raises to $6, UTG+1 calls $6, CO calls $6, BTN calls $6, 2 folds

    Flop: ($27, 4 players)
    Hero bets $20, UTG+1 raises to $40, 2 folds, Hero calls $20

    Turn: ($107, 2 players)
    Hero checks, UTG+1 goes all-in $164.05, Hero folds
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    Unless he's turning his hand into a bluff which he shouldnt be given your feeling about him, I think your fold is good as crying as it may be.
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    This is an atrocious spot to bluff in a 4-way pot, so I think the fold is good.
    Just dipping my toes back in.
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    I like turning my hand into a bluff on the flop by respresenting AA or AK. You'll thank me later.
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    In all seriousness I just don't get away from trips on an Axx board pretty much ever against an unknown. I just put spade+GS and an ace in his range. I stoved:

    Putting ATs+,AJo+,FD+GS, K10s+, KQo we are 77%
    Against AA, AK, AQ, K10s+, KQo, FD+GS we are 58%

    I think we can pretty much rule out AK and AA though. So I call.
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Deanglow
    I like turning my hand into a bluff on the flop by respresenting AA or AK. You'll thank me later.
    Why? I think most unknowns turn their hand face-up on the turn.
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    flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
    how do we do against {KTs-KQs, KQo, K5cc, QJss, Ac4h}? I think that is a far more realistic range
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    Include any ace and we are way the fuck ahead
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    flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
    sure but thats supremely unrealistic
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    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    how do we do against {KTs-KQs, KQo, K5cc, QJss, Ac4h}? I think that is a far more realistic range
    lol awesome
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    dude how do u ever fold here?
  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshall28
    dude how do u ever fold here?
    Yeah, I was having a weak/tight moment.
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    Another weak/tight moment.

    Opponent is 15/10 and just seemed pretty passive.

    $1/$2 No Limit Holdem
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    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($809.40)
    Hero ($278.85)
    BTN ($200.00)
    SB ($38.00)
    BB ($46.00)

    Pre-flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is CO
    1 fold, Hero raises to $6, BTN calls $6, 2 folds

    Flop: ($15, 2 players)
    Hero bets $12, BTN calls $12

    Turn: ($39, 2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $32, Hero folds
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    Interesting question since you play a very aggressive style Marshall and Fnord has started to.

    When you're playing tight somewhat passive opps like this, how often do you give them credit for something when they take these lines, and how often is it them thinking your FOS and playing back?
    Just dipping my toes back in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjsaust
    When you're playing tight somewhat passive opps like this, how often do you give them credit for something when they take these lines, and how often is it them thinking your FOS and playing back?
    I'll have to check how far along that K9s hand was in the session. It's certainly a feel thing. At some point, some people will make a stand and that certainly turns some marginal folds into marginal calls.

    I've been watching a lot of videos from guys that really crush it and it's been eye opening for me.

    Some of this also depends on what gear I'm in and what the table texture looks like. On some tables they'll let me get away with playing Grand Theft Poker, on others I'm mostly value betting with an odd bluff thrown in just to keep them distrusting me.

    Also, I think there are some key differences between Marshall and I. There are many path's up the mountain...
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    I think b/f turn is superior to check/anything in the second one.
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    Oh for sure, but you both (at least sometimes) cultivate an image that can cause people to play back.
    Just dipping my toes back in.
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    b/f hand 2 ldo. i dont have a clue about hand 1. i feel like i could never lay down there, but its probly the right thing to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bode
    b/f hand 2 ldo. i dont have a clue about hand 1. i feel like i could never lay down there, but its probly the right thing to do.
    Agreed.
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    Another laydown that made me want to take a shower.

    Opponent was playing like 50% of his hands and generally pretty retarded. He tanked a ton before making the flop call. The pre-flop re-raise wasn't standard for him. Something stank really really bad. Up until the river I had him on like KK-JJ.

    $1/$2 No Limit Holdem
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    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($205.95)
    Hero ($361.00)
    CO ($193.00)
    BTN ($192.95)
    SB ($129.80)
    BB ($640.50)

    Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1
    1 fold, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, SB raises to $10, 1 fold, Hero calls $4

    Flop: ($22, 2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $14, SB calls $14

    Turn: ($50, 2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $32, SB calls $32

    River: ($114, 2 players)
    SB goes all-in $73.80, Hero folds

    Final Pot: $114

    SB wins $184.80 ( won +$55 )
    Hero lost -$56.00
  21. #21
    Ugh the last one is tough. I like checking behind the flop. I'd probably call as played.
  22. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Deanglow
    I like checking behind the flop.
    Easy bet and fist pump if he raises.
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    Hand #3's a definite fold and I wouldn't feel too bad about it either. That's totally the donk line for either: "I gots my frush!" Or, "Oh fuck! I can't slowplay the river when he's last to act, shovaments!"


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    yeah i agree that the last hand is a definite fold.
    "This sure beats Super Mario Bros.!" is my ejaculation catch phrase.
  25. #25
    I fold river in 3 as played and we can probably squeeze a little more on the turn.
  26. #26
    3rd hand i think he shows up w/ 88/99 or a pure bluff. i think he shows up w/ a pure bluff often enough cuz of how bad u say he is. if he tanked the flop i highly doubt he has a flush draw.

    image is obv important in hand 2 when deciding if someone is making a move, but if u arent betting the turn its pretty much like u r giving up. its super super standard to bet the turn and makes it very very difficult for villain to try to make a move considering the flush is just as likely to be in hero's range as it is villains, possibly more likely. as far as considering image, i wouldnt sit there and say to myself "my image is crazy i checkraiseallin on this turn."

    the thought process would consist more of stuff like ... ive c-bet the flop on him like 4 times in a row and hes folded every time, so its probably not extremely likely hes going to decide to float me light this time.

    or something like ... he floated me on a particular flop texture last time and i gave up, now that it's a similar texture and he is calling me again, i think its probably more likely he thinks the play will work on me more often and that hes doing it light so instead of barreling the turn, im gonna checkraise, or, id more frequently adjust by double barreling more often w/ my air hands and taking a different line w/ my made hands. of course he could be leveling me by thinking "he knows i floated him last time, so he probly thinks ill be bluffing if i do it again, so im gonna do it next time with a hand and try to induce him to get funky. and i could end up getting owned. of course, a lot of timing tells come into consideration as well as flop texture, range assessments, and how the turn card factors in.

    its not an exact science otherwise itd be easy to figure out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
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    flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
    I think 1 is a fold, 2 is b/f turn as played maaaybe fold, and i would call 3
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