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100nl- 2 horrible spots.

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  1. #1

    Default 100nl- 2 horrible spots.

    Villain in this hand is running 34/16/1 over 130 hands, though he was playing semi solid even though his stats suggest otherwise, he definitely wasnt agressive. Note how deep stacked we both are.
    note: converter fucked up yet again.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #7606547048: Table Nial (deep) - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:56:45 ET - 2008/08/11
    Seat 1: normandyn007 ($107.25)
    Seat 2: shnurrrrrrrp ($103.55)
    Seat 3: Mister Chicken ($72.15)
    Seat 4: sunnypalmer ($90.90)
    Seat 5: Charlie Moran ($80.50)
    Seat 6: JBIGDADDYJ ($196.25)
    Seat 7: ATOTHEC101 ($194)
    Seat 8: FatKitty3705 ($100)
    Seat 9: RockoFTN ($230)
    RockoFTN posts the small blind of $0.50
    normandyn007 posts the big blind of $1
    The button is in seat #7
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ATOTHEC101 [Ks Kc]
    4 folds
    JBIGDADDYJ calls $1
    ATOTHEC101 raises to $4.50
    RockoFTN calls $4
    normandyn007 calls $3.50
    JBIGDADDYJ folds
    *** FLOP *** [7h 5h 5d]
    RockoFTN checks
    normandyn007 bets $1
    ATOTHEC101 raises to $15
    RockoFTN raises to $40
    normandyn007 folds
    ATOTHEC101 has requested TIME
    ATOTHEC101 calls $25

    *** TURN *** [7h 5h 5d] [Th]
    RockoFTN has timed out
    RockoFTN checks
    ATOTHEC101 checks

    *** RIVER *** [7h 5h 5d Th] [9h]
    RockoFTN bets $185.50, and is all in (insta shove)
    ATOTHEC101 folds
    Uncalled bet of $185.50 returned to RockoFTN
    RockoFTN mucks
    RockoFTN wins the pot ($92.50)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $95.50 | Rake $3
    Board: [7h 5h 5d Th 9h]
    Seat 1: normandyn007 (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 2: shnurrrrrrrp didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 3: Mister Chicken didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 4: sunnypalmer didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 5: Charlie Moran didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 6: JBIGDADDYJ folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: ATOTHEC101 (button) folded on the River
    Seat 8: FatKitty3705 is sitting out
    Seat 9: RockoFTN (small blind) collected ($92.50), mucked

    I know the river is an insta fold but im just checking that i took the correct line, im preety sure i did, looks like he as a boat nearly always here.

    This next hand im alot less sure of, villain is very similiar to previous villain, loose but sane and somewhat solid and passive running 25/12/2 over 120 with a 3 bet % of 0. Him flatting my 3 bet then potting flop sent major alarm bells off in my head. My thought proces was he has aa a good portion of the time, then sets, then qq and jj that im not a big favourite over anyway (qq obviously more so).

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    saw flop|saw showdown

    MP1 ($100)
    MP2 ($61.35)
    MP3 ($19)
    CO ($15)
    Button ($18.50)
    SB =villain ($126.55)
    Hero ($147.50)
    UTG ($110.95)
    UTG+1 ($100)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K.
    3 folds, MP2 calls $1, 2 folds, Button raises to $5, villain calls $4.50, Hero raises to $20, MP2 folds, Button folds, villain calls $15.

    I 3 bet fairly big to get hu with the shortstack, but very surprisingly villain flats my very large 3 bet, im a tad worried at this point.

    Flop: ($46) 8, 9, T (2 players)
    villain bets $46, Hero...

    Im very worried about aa, and sets, and even jj or pair/draw combos were flipping, so is this a fold?

    Final Pot: $46
  2. #2
    1- gross. I play the same though...

    2- guess this is a fold too although I feel diiirrrtty. If you feel you have any FE here you have to ship though, but I think it's unlikely with your read and that scurry bet.

    Deep tables look like major headaches
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    Hand 1 I'm not sure how I feel about the flop call. I guess I play it the same

    Hand 2 easy shove, be ecstatic
  4. #4
    Hand 1: Puke fold when he makes it $40.
    Hand 2: Felt this.
  5. #5
    And you thought it'd be ME telling you to shove Hand2
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    Hand 1.
    Youre either ahead of not. Make a decision and get the money in or fold IMO. I think calling is damn awful.

    Hand 2.
    Id insta-shove and be fist pumping a lot against this action.
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    yeah I was thinking about hand 2 after I posted and thought folding was too nitty... We're only 42% vs. 77+ but given the money in the pot even against that range with no FE it's a shove. my bad.
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    Hand 1: I play it the same.
    Hand 2: Yes, we have to shove. Why would villain bet pot against you OOP? I put him on a lot of JJ-QQ and JT given your apparent squeeze. Everything better he would check-raise or bet a smaller amount most of the time.
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    hadn 1 very easy fold on flop
    hand 2 annoying fold
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton
    hadn 1 very easy fold on flop
    hand 2 annoying fold
    If your disgareeing with the majority on hand 2 renton, whats your reasoning behind the flop if we fold?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton
    hadn 1 very easy fold on flop
    hand 2 annoying fold
    wtf
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    i don't really know how to explain that hand two is a fold, other than to say that our equity vs his value range is very marginal to poor, and that he probably doesn't have a bluff frequency in this spot
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    uh for some reason i misread the hand as being 200 deep with a 40 dollar pot, which would make this a fold

    As it is, we have to shove 105 in to win about 250, which means we need at least 41% equity.

    TBH, i don't see an enormous problem with folding here. If its a shove its probably worth only a couple bucks, with a 50:1 risk to ev ratio, so if u are trying to curtail variance in the least you can just dump this.

    But yes, it looks like a marginally good shove.
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    Re: Hand 2

    dont you think its pretty significant tell that he is donking out full pot? I would pretty much exclude sets from his range and be very happy to go all in. It is obvious that we arent getting it in with a massive equity advantage almost ever but I think this is a pretty trivial shiparoo.

    Hand 1 is an annoying flop fold imo.
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