$5 - SNGWIZ says fold for all 3 hands??

[mikeneron]

I cannot find folds on any of these hands...no strength is shown by the big stacks and I know I am getting called at least in the first 2 hands which is OK by me since I am so low in chips...so why would any of these be folds?

Player to my immediate left is tight (he was playing on all 5 of my tables and had similar stats on all of them).
Player to my immediate right is loose (49/5 over 73 hands)
Player in the middle is tight to average (23/1)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 100.00 BB (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG (6135.00)
Button (5095.00)
Hero (SB) (455.00)
BB (1815.00)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, A
UTG calls 100.00, 1 fold, Hero???


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 150.00 BB (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (5680.00)
UTG (5095.00)
Hero (Button) (1010.00)
SB (1715.00)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, Q
UTG calls 150.00, Hero???


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 150.00 BB (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (5455.00)
UTG (4945.00)
Hero (Button) (1385.00)
SB (1715.00)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J
UTG calls 150.00, Hero???

[Stacks]

I haven't run the hands or anything, but I couldn't find a fold for either. Did you accurately tweak the calling ranges of the players remaining etc?

[mikeneron]

I played around with them a bit and they are still a fold unless I change the guy in the middle to loose or very loose which he wasn't even close to.

[jdubs]

they all seem like auto pushes to me, I cant find fold there either.

[mukaka]

I ran all of them in sngwiz myself..

First one is an unexploitable shove.. I really wonder how you found a fold in your software..

Second one is not exploitable but it's still a shove.. I gave 25% opening range to CO (excluded 3% from the top), 9% calling range for SB and 18% for BB..


third one is also unexploitable..

[givememyleg]

LOL at the thought of folding any of these

[mikeneron]

Maybe my software is broken? Here are the screenshots for all 3 hands. Like I said if I change the guy in the middle to Loose or Very Loose then the first one becomes a push...the other hands don't change.

[StarTracker]

Thanks for posting the screen shots.

I think you have a few factors working against you and it shows how cards can't always overcome stack and position disadvantages.

1) You are on the bubble.
2) You are the short stack.
3) You run the risk on being allin against more than one opponent (the big stacks still can act).

The math is basically showing that because your stack is so small, you cannot gain enough equity to justify the risk. If UTG had not have limped, I think you would see some pushes suggested.

[taipan168]

I now see what the issue is - your push and "call two pushes" ranges are way way way too loose. You need to adjust these ranges in the table below the graphic.

For example, in the JJ hand, you're assuming that marbles711 reshoves with 25% and Snoddy (the second stack) CALLS with 16%. NO way does the second stack on the bubble call this loose. Tighten up the ranges to say 15% and 4-6% respectively and you'll show that JJ is a +EV shove.

On the third hand (AQo), the BB limper should be calling your short stack shove with 100%.

[mikeneron]

Now we're really getting technical. I never even touched the options below the graphic in SNGWIZ before...I just adjusted their open and calling ranges...usually just assigning Tight, Avg, Loose, etc and tweaking as necessary.

So how do these look? At least it says Push now

[mukaka]

if you have empirical model on, I suggest that you turn it off from the options.. I really don't like it because I think it messes up with the ranges a lot.. like tai said those ranges are too loose and if you haven't done that yourself I'm sure empirical model did it..

[mikeneron]

I don't see any options for empirical model. I have version 1.0.1.99 and it looks like that came out with version 1.0.1.127.

http://www.sngwiz.com/index.php?opti...43&topic=715.0

[mukaka]

that could be true then... but I suggest you update your sngwiz they fix loads of bugs..

[littleogre]

I now see what the issue is - your push and "call two pushes" ranges are way way way too loose. You need to adjust these ranges in the table below the graphic.

For example, in the JJ hand, you're assuming that marbles711 reshoves with 25% and Snoddy (the second stack) CALLS with 16%. NO way does the second stack on the bubble call this loose. Tighten up the ranges to say 15% and 4-6% respectively and you'll show that JJ is a +EV shove.

On the third hand (AQo), the BB limper should be calling your short stack shove with 100%.

when you are that short shouldn't you be glad to get it all in with AQ ?

[taipan168]

@ mikneron - yes I think your ranges are more reasonable now - particularly for the big stack calling against the fellow big stack.

@ littleogre - yes absolutely we are happy to get called wide when we have 4.5x BB with AQo but the problem is that mikeneron originally had the big stack (6000) button limper limping then only calling his shove for 355 more with 35%. He should absolutely be calling the shove with everything he limps.