$5 - JJ facing donk raise and reraise

[mikeneron]

First raise was from a loose opponent. Reraise was from an opponent with stats of 28/4 over 25 hands. Is this always a push or can you find a call here and see what the flop brings?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $5.00+$0.50 Tournament, t25/t50 Blinds (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button (t1235)
SB (t1565)
BB (t1820)
UTG (t1970)
UTG+1 (t1565)
MP1 (t2800)
Hero (MP2) (t1230)
CO (t1315)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with ,
UTG raises to t200, UTG+1 raises to t450, 1 fold, Hero ???

[mukaka]

I wouldn't call here.. 450 chips is too much for your stack..Also original raiser might still shove over or call (I don't think he'll fold) which makes it 3-way which is worse.. it's either shove or fold here depending on yer reads.. most probably a shove..

[oskar]

At the start of the next blind level you'll be short stacked. I'd take the risk.
Shove, not call... obviously.
If you call, and let's assume UTG calls - there will be 1400 in the pot and you'll have 800 left.
Also, if they didn't have you preflop then they can only improve on the flop. If they did have you, and the flop comes undercards, you're stacking off anyway.

[taipan168]

Reraise was from an opponent with stats of 28/4 over 25 hands.

Sample size is very small, but if this guy has only raised one hand over the last 25 I would let this go, particularly because he is 3-betting from UTG+1 with the whole table still to act. I'd definitely shove over with QQ and AK though.

[mikeneron]

I always thought 3-betting was an initial bet, then a raise, then a re-raise.

I asked the question in another thread about having your HUD display stats from only the current session or to have stats from past history. I think I am leaning more towards the current session only as something like this wouldn't be so cut and dry if you had it displaying past stats.

Say you had history on this opponent and you got to heads up with them in a previous match. They would surely be raising a lot more hands in heads up than they would in the early stages. Thus their stats may show a fairly tight player, but you wouldn't be able to tell that they have only raised one hand in the first 25 of this match.

[mukaka]

I always thought 3-betting was an initial bet, then a raise, then a re-raise.

I asked the question in another thread about having your HUD display stats from only the current session or to have stats from past history. I think I am leaning more towards the current session only as something like this wouldn't be so cut and dry if you had it displaying past stats.

Say you had history on this opponent and you got to heads up with them in a previous match. They would surely be raising a lot more hands in heads up than they would in the early stages. Thus their stats may show a fairly tight player, but you wouldn't be able to tell that they have only raised one hand in the first 25 of this match.

I respect your reasons but in my opinion this is not a good thing.. more hands give you more info about a player.. this 1 out of 25 could just be a bad run of cards.. if you think people change their game over a sample size, you can change the settings (in PT or PAHUD can't remember) so that it shows last 100 hands or last 50 hands if you want less.. Also if you think he's raising a lot HU, just filter out the HU hands in PAHUD.. there are lots of settings that can solve your problems..

final comment for the hand.. if the three-bettor is a random player I might shove or fold depending on reads,mood,etc.. if he's a regular easy fold..

[mikeneron]

Son of a...I never really even played around with any filters in Pokerace HUD so didn't even know you could do that Thanks for pointing that out.

I am guessing this adjusts as you lose players from the table? In other words, if I set ranges of 7-10, 5-6, 4-4, 3-3, 2-2 and it is down to 4 players, will it only shows stats on hands where there were 4 players in the hand? So if you had never seen a player before, that person's stats would start from zero as you move through each range?

Player ranges allow you to have PokerAce Hud dynamically adjust the stats for the table you are playing on based on the number of players sitting at the table. An example might make it easier to understand.

Say you set up your ranges like this:

Min: 2, Max: 3
Min: 4, Max: 6
Min: 7, Max: 10

Now let's say you sit down at a table that has 8 players. PokerAce Hud checks this list and sees that 8 players falls in the third range, so the stats you see will be limited to those hands in your database that have 7-10 players.

Next, you sit at another table that has 3 players on it. PokerAce Hud will only show stats from those hands that have 2-3 players.

This is a good way to separate full tables from 6 max for those sites where PokerTracker cannot automatically determine if the session is a 6 max session.

The default player range is Min: 2, Max: 10, which will cover all hands in the database.

I think if your ranges are overlapping, then it chooses the first one in the list.

What would be the best player ranges for 9 player SNGs?

[mukaka]

5-9 is the only one I'm using.. bubble, 3-handed and HU is pretty read dependent IMO and people change a lot.. but you could do 5-9, 4-4, 3-3, 2-2 and it would make sense..