AA facing a raise

[hangchiong]

Should i have folded to that raise?
or call and see what he does on the turn?


Full Tilt Poker Game #7868171407: $3 + $0.30 Tournament (59723572), Table 23 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:59:01 ET - 2008/08/30
Seat 1: PhrozenNJ (2,865)
Seat 2: eawalk2 (3,030)
Seat 3: Ihateaces01 (6,675)
Seat 4: Big Slick AK007 (750)
Seat 5: saxar (3,125)
Seat 6: Jason McN (3,000)
Seat 7: ballinall (3,000)
Seat 8: dontsckout (4,020)
Seat 9: hangchiong (3,270)
saxar posts the small blind of 20
Jason McN posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hangchiong [Ac As]
ballinall folds
dontsckout has 15 seconds left to act
dontsckout folds
hangchiong raises to 120
PhrozenNJ calls 120
eawalk2 folds
Ihateaces01 calls 120
Big Slick AK007 folds
saxar folds
Jason McN folds
*** FLOP *** [9s Jd Js]
hangchiong bets 200
PhrozenNJ raises to 640
Ihateaces01 folds
hangchiong ?????

[HiLo]

Any reads or stats on villain? I guess not much as it is early in the tourn.

This is a bluff or semi-bluff so frequently that I am inclined to 4-bet here most of the time. It is a tough call with no reads whatsoever though.

[Fnord]

Call, get the rest in on the turn.
Spike an Ace for good measure.

[chardrian]

This is a bluff or semi-bluff so frequently that I am inclined to 4-bet here most of the time.

If it's a bluff, what's the point of 4 betting?

[HiLo]

This is a bluff or semi-bluff so frequently that I am inclined to 4-bet here most of the time.

If it's a bluff, what's the point of 4 betting?

If it's a stone cold bluff then none (other than to send out a message to the table not to mess with you, which is not really too relevant at these stakes). Board is very drawy though so I don't mind ending the hand now too much and if I am called the chips go in easily on the turn. Is this bad?

edit: Yes, this is bad. Just thought about this some more. Small 4 bet gets called anyway by most draws here. Combos probably shove/call AI. 4 bet loses value against lower pairs / 2nd barrel bluff.

[Fnord]

The other thought here is that with the paired Jacks nailing a lot of cold-calling hands, his range has enough Jx/99 to just give it up.

If the flop was 955 two-tone then it's a pretty easy felt.

[hangchiong]

Gotta agree with Fnord,955 flop would have been easier to push rather than T55,JJ8,QQ7.examples

[oteezy03]

Fnord
PostPosted: Sun, 31 Aug 2008, 3:13am
The other thought here is that with the paired Jacks nailing a lot of cold-calling hands, his range has enough Jx/99 to just give it up.

If the flop was 955 two-tone then it's a pretty easy felt.

Definitely a good point. At this level, though, slowplaying monsters is the norm- like 90% of the time. Raise on this borad can also mean something funny like a low pair or AK. Odds to call here seem good.

[chatoman]

Looks like a combo draw to me... But, sometimes in these low buyin tourneys, theres a lot of maniaks at the beggining so, he can have some kind of Jx or some suited shi** of spades.

Regards