88 to 3x BB SB vs BB raise on the bubble ($27)

[taipan168]

Opp's stats were 13/11 over about 110 hands. Ran out of Sharkscope searches so I can't do that either. I have run this through SNG Wiz but as you might expect it is super range dependent. Does it make a difference that he raised 3x BB rather than shoved here? Thoughts?

Poker Stars No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t200/t400 (Ante: t25)
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t2685
Button: t1590
SB: t5720
Hero: t3505

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with :8d :8h
2 folds, SB raises to t1200, Hero raises all-in t3480

[mxiu]

I insta-muck here if he's decent at all. I always go 3x with made hands on the bubble like this. Shortie has 4 BB's, just wait it out.

[fjuanl]

I'm not too sure you have any fold equity with that stack, so I think this is one of those sick folds that make you hate sngs. If villian is smart he could be raising incredibly wide (making a shove +EV) so its really read dependent

[BicVicTheQuick]

I don't like this move cuz you can't put that much chip pressure on him (he'll have t2000 left if he calls and looses). I make this move a lot when I have villain covered.

So without any further reads, this is a fold for me!

[Stripclubjunkie]

Uh that is a sick sick spot...

Pros:
He is raising from the SB, so that probably means his range is wider than normal...

Cons:
The fact that there is a very SS
He knows what he is doing
I think its more scary when he just raise and not just shoving.

Would we call a shove here?

[Rycky4Golf]

This really depends on our reads on the villain. Not sure the spot has come up enough in this game, but does the villain always 3x from the SB or has he been shoving on you (like he should be here)? If he has been shoving and suddenly goes 3x I'd be a little more concerned.

With that said, if you feel the 3x is normal and he also knows he can raise/shove with ATC I'd shove with 88 here. However if he has folded to you in a similar spot in the past that's not the case and I believe its a muck, his range is too tight. Hope I was able to make my ideas clear enough here.

[d0zer]

I dunno how you can't shove there given how likely this is to be a steal, and you're less than 10BBs deep.

It's a shoveament -- I thought your shove range here would be way wider than 88+, even vs a relatively tight raiser. Doesn't everyone go crazy when M gets this low?

[Rycky4Golf]

Thing is, this is the bubble of a SNG not an MTT. We'd be risking too much equity for the potential gain. If the raiser was tight at all its a fold.

[TLR]

If he is aggro as big stack I like it, if he is tight you can fold

[dsmrolla06]

I might be a little rusty, but the whole decision would depend on what's happened in the last orbit or two. How long have you been on the bubble and how long has villain been bigstack and how long have you been in this blind level? If bubble and blind level just started I'm probably laying this down, however if I've seen him raise a couple times the past orbit or two I'm shoving all day here. He's the big stack, but I think you still have the fold equity here.

[caddie444]

He's probably calling with overs so I just fold this pre, but I'm a nit