big pockets really need some help here?

[fulksy]

i must be playing big pockets terrible but every time without fail especially latly they have been beat. i think i came to realize after this hand something that i should of realized before in low stakes theirs no need to value bet the bad players are more than willing to call a shove with top pair or any sort of draw so just push get all the money in while your ahead and hope they don't suck out. please any suggestions on playing these hands in similar situations would be great because i must be doing something major wrong...

No Limit Holdem Tournament
$2 + $0.25 Sit & Go
8 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG CDubWho (2330)
UTG+1 JohnPittsburgh (1662)
MP1 hangchiong (1455)
MP2 Hero (1315)
CO pwnslice (1350)
BTN potzplayer (2840)
SB Chad Kean (1370)
BB nmaher (1178)

Blinds: 20/40

Pre-flop: (60, 8 players) Hero is MP2
1 fold, JohnPittsburgh calls 40, 1 fold, Hero raises to 160, pwnslice calls 160, 3 folds, JohnPittsburgh folds

Flop: (420, 2 players)
Hero bets 400, pwnslice calls 400

Turn: (1220, 2 players)
Hero bets 560, pwnslice goes all-in 790, Hero calls 195

River: (2765, 2 players)

Final Pot: 2730
pwnslice shows:
Hero shows:

[caddie444]

Nice size raise preflop.


Dry flop I bet 300 and shove any non ace turn.


As played shove turn.



You did nothing wrong, big pairs don't always win. NH

[fulksy]

that bet was supposed to be a shove just messed up.

my big pairs have just been losing so much latley to people calling raises with junk and catching two pairs etc. i know that the odds are in my favor and in the long run i will be making money with these calls, but i feel that at these stakes if i play solid its not to difficult to get in the money and when i lose with these pairs, because of a ragged board that looks harmless i loose all my chips, if i just raised all in post flop i could just take the pot not let someone suckout then go on play solid and slide itm. maybe i'm just over reacting to a bad run but i can't help but feel theirs a better way to play these pairs in low stakes with lower quality players

[brian1175]

cooler

[caddie444]

maybe i'm just over reacting

Yah you are a little, but it's ok.

If you continue playing poker you will see this a thousand times.

Remember he's probably not calling your shove without at least top pair here. But he will likely call a 2/3 or 3/4 pot bet.

You need to get some value out of your hand, which is why shoving isn't necessarily the right move.

(It would be the right move if you or him had less chips, or say you noticed a few hands before that he will call a large over-bet if he caught any piece of the flop)

Your plan should always be to get full value out of the situation.

[Stripclubjunkie]

Love the flop bet, makes drawing expensive...Shove turn

strip

[hangchiong]

since i play the same stake as you fulksy.i understand your position,and your situation.my big pocket pairs has been cracked thousand times by suckouts,dont worry,like everyone said,it will be on a long run,not short run.its a 2.25 sng,so table are full of donks,sometimes,you gotta pray that they dont suckout,by the way you are playing and making bets,you will succeed in the long run,although varience might hit once in a while.

cheer up,say no to TILT.

[kmind]

Love the flop bet, makes drawing expensive...Shove turn

strip

wayyyyyyyy too dry to be making this bet sizing on the flop

[brian1175]

Thats a great post flop bet.....I almost always pot aces kings or queens on a board like that....when they call you slow down.
And when the turn is a cary card like that, I almost shut down and maybe check call or check fold...You will have about 800 chips left and thats still enough to play with....

[taipan168]

And when the turn is a cary card like that, I almost shut down and maybe check call or check fold...You will have about 800 chips left and thats still enough to play with....

Dude that is WAY too nitty to c/c or c/f on this board at a $2.25 - you will be folding the best hand VERY often if you do. Plus, I don't see why the turn is a scary card unless opp is calling our pot-sized flop bet with 6x, and if he's that bad, then I pay him. I'd be much more worried about 8x than 6x.

[fulksy]

thanks all, this helps lots.

[caddie444]

Thats a great post flop bet.....I almost always pot aces kings or queens on a board like that....when they call you slow down.
And when the turn is a scary card like that, I almost shut down and maybe check call or check fold...You will have about 800 chips left and thats still enough to play with....

So you want to make a pot sized bet there but slow down on the turn? So you're building a massive pot that you may intend to throw away?

You're really folding with 800 chips left in that spot... Major leak IMO.

Like I said earlier, that flop is too dry to make a pot sized bet, and you're reasoning doesn't really make sense... the six isn't that scary of a card. If he has it, nh gg, make note, fire up another one.

[brian1175]

Do you guys even understand the low buy in's? I have built a bankroll from $4 to $10,000 playing $1 sng's to $50 sng's. I have recently cashed out and left myself with like $40 bucks. Since then I have been grinding from the $1 sng's and currently rolled for the $20s. If you wanna be profitable at low buy ins you have to play passive eary, thats al their is to it. You make your chips shoving properly when the blinds get up.

Play 10 $5 sng's one day when your bored and see how you do. I bet you will notice that you have to change your game alot...