AJ TPTK $200NL Line Check

[JL]

Just sat down.
Never seen villain before.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
CO ($97.45)
Hero ($197.00)
SB ($233.65)
BB ($913.25)

Pre-flop: ($3, 4 players) Hero is BTN
CO calls $2, Hero bets $9, SB calls $8, 1 fold, CO folds

Flop: ($22, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $15, SB bets $40, Hero calls $25

Turn: ($102, 2 players)
SB bets $45, Hero calls $45

River: ($192, 2 players)
SB goes all-in $139.65, Hero folds

Final Pot: $331.65

[Genitruc]

if i m just calling flop, I'm getting it in on turn

[Alexos]

if im calling the turn, this is a perfect river i snapcall

[Genitruc]

JL were you planning on calling any rivers?

[bjsaust]

I'm confused how you didnt call river. Like Genitruc I probably just stick it in on turn though. This looks an awful lot like a semibluff to me, especially the weak turn lead, looks like he's trying to set his own price.

[Fnord]

I don't hate looking this up, although it's a great way to start a session one buy-in in the hole. Looks like a set line to me but with no information about him it's really hard to say. He could be going all the way with a busted draw or over-playing a worse Jx, but he's probably not.

[bjsaust]

Would a set shove river though? I mean, maybe he would, but his small bet on turn if he had a set would make me think he puts hero on the FD and wants him to come along, so wouldnt either some kind of small bet, or check to induce bluff make more sense?

[mixchange]

A set definitely shoves river BJ, it's a 2/3 pot bet and you should be playing a set this way for value. Checking river here with a good hand when hero has called the whole way and the draws missed is a huge leak. Anything we get value from by shoving the river is probably checking the river as well.

As played I fold river vs. unknown. villain can play Kx of spades this way, KJ, 46, sets

I just think there are more combos that beat you and bet this for value than pure bluffs on the norm. I tend to give unknowns credit more than most, and I believe that villains that do pull off these types of bluffs will become overconfident and try them again, and I pick it off the next time.

[bjsaust]

If we're putting hero on a hand with value though, why wouldnt we (villain) bet turn more? At least enough to setup river for 1/2 psb.

Then again I make mistakes assuming villains think about stuff like that.

[JL]

JL were you planning on calling any rivers?

I was actually planning on folding the turn to a significant sized bet.
After he bet so small on the turn, I felt that I had to call and hope he checks the river or bets small again.

Once he shoved the river, I was quite sure that I was crushed.
A small flop raise + small turn bet + river shove = the nuts a lot of the time against the typical $200NL Euro donk.

[JL]

If I had a read that this guy was donkish, then I re-raise the flop every time.

[Genitruc]

oops (deleted)

[Kagey]

Your line looks so weak that I think any thinking player is going to shove his air on this river. If I was villain I'd find it difficult to put you on anything but Jx or a busted draw ( I know that easy to say seeing the cards). However with no reads on villain and him having none on you I reckon it's pretty close.

[Genitruc]

kind of unrelated, but if we ever got into this situation vs a thinking villain who was capable of bluff CR flops, I don't think we could ever ever ever fold because of what kagey posted above

[Alexos]

I don't think I'm ever, ever folding this on river. The main thing I'm worried about is some Kx that bluff checkraised flop

[griffey24]

I don't think I'm ever, ever folding this on river. The main thing I'm worried about is some Kx that bluff checkraised flop

Yah, I don't think I ever fold this if I get here.

Sometimes he has KJ, but how often does he really c/r that?

You're only really legitimately beat by 666 and maybe some KQ spades type hand.