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    Default 200NL - Shove river?

    I'm new to 200NL so I don't have a good read on villain, but over 40~
    hands he's got nit stats.
    I've been moderately aggressive, by now he may realize I'm a good
    player.

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    Button ($212.95)
    SB ($390.35)
    BB ($518.50)
    UTG ($200)
    Hero (UTG+1) ($190.85)
    MP1 ($195.80)
    MP2 ($209.05)
    MP3 ($217.40)
    CO ($245.45)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 7, 7
    1 fold, Hero raises to $8, 3 folds, CO calls $8, 2 folds, BB calls $6

    Flop: ($25) 8, 5, 6 (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $16, 1 fold, Hero calls $16

    Turn: ($57) 10 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $28, Hero calls $28

    River: ($113) K (2 players)

    He's been betting real small for such a connected board. Who likes a shove on the river?
    And speaking of betting real small, I'm not 100% on my play in earlier streets. I've been getting decent+ odds over and over lately but I cringe every time I play a draw so passively. Being OOP adds to the WTF factor.
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    I don't know, his line makes it seem hard for him to have a set but your line is soooo ridiculous if you shove that I think you may get looked up light here but it's impossible to know without better reads. I think your mistake is not betting the flop.
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    flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
    what the hell would you be representing by shoving the river
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    KKK

    I think this guy may believe it as he's probably betting scared here and has nit stats. So then he strikes me as the type of guy who would c/c an overpair on this board and then c/c a small bet on the turn - same as I did. If he'll do it, he'll suspect I've done it.

    I admit it's a pretty small range to represent but what hands have I represented by c/c'ing two streets anyways? All I can think of is 77 and overpairs; small SCs are unlikely given I'm UTG+1.

    Badgers, do you think a flop cbet is good here against two villains? Aren't I getting raised like, 75+% of the time?
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    The problem is you bet the flop with KK, your line makes absolutely no sense at all and if villain is a competent hand reader you are doomed.

    On the flop, you have an OESD, a half decent made hand and FE. Why on earth wouldn't you cbet, if you believe you don't want to cbet because their ranges have smacked this board then just c/f or something but that really isn't the case. There are loads of turn cards you can double barrel as well like A/K maybe Q, and a 4 7 or 9 improves you hand. Lots of reasons why cbet>c/c
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    hmmm, sho'nuff. Don't know what I was thinking.

    Just as an FYI I don't always bet that flop with 2 players against me and I hold KK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keilah
    hmmm, sho'nuff. Don't know what I was thinking.

    Just as an FYI I don't always bet that flop with 2 players against me and I hold KK.
    why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keilah
    hmmm, sho'nuff. Don't know what I was thinking.

    Just as an FYI I don't always bet that flop with 2 players against me and I hold KK.
    I really think you should bet that board with KK 100% of the time without some bizaare read or history.
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    That's fair.
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    oh, man. Shove on the river with 77 i think is an insane move given your passive line in early streets.
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    aiight aiight. I didn't do it but it occurred to me, so I thought I'd check with you guys.

    Sounds pretty unanimous ><
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    you turn your hand face up on turn. 2nd barrel here IMO or check and give it up
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    C-bet the flop for a start... don't make bluffs when your line makes little sense for a finish.

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