3.40 hand...pot odds or easy fold

[philly and the phanatics]

i looked on pokerstove for my equity with the ranges i felt comfortable with for each player, and it said i had 20.85%equity, and i am getting more than 4:1 on my money so is it an ok call? or does the equity only apply to me pushing?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $3.00+$0.25 Tournament, 400/800 Blinds 50 Ante (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP (t1288)
Button (t9922)
SB (t3004)
BB (t7652)
Hero (UTG) (t4140)

Hero's M: 2.86

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 10, K
Hero raises to t2400, 2 folds, SB raises to t2954 (All-In), BB raises to t7602 (All-In), Hero ???

[taipan168]

Dude, with those blinds absolutely shove or fold preflop, there is no other move. I haven't run it in SNG Wiz but I suspect this one is a fold.

As played, you're in a really bad spot. On the one hand (with the ranges you used which you didn't post), you're only just getting the chip equity you need for the pot odds you're getting, but you haven't taken the ICM effect into account. Plus there's the risk that your ranges are wrong and your KT doesn't have as much equity as you think. However, if you fold here, you lose half of your stack in the BB next hand and pretty much have to call any shove.

Personally I wouldn't ever be in this position of having put in 60% of my stack preflop then wondering what to do when you get shoved over.

[philly and the phanatics]

i appreciate the response, and next time will try not to put myself in that position, i guess i was just blind stealing and got caught, and was wondering if i was basically pot committed.

what about this hand?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $3.00+$0.40 Tournament, 75/150 Blinds (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button (t4615)
SB (t2155)
Hero (BB) (t1500)
UTG (t2520)

Hero's M: 6.67

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, 7
2 folds, Button calls t150, SB calls t75, Hero raises to t1500 (All-In)

Total pot: t450

[taipan168]

The Q7o hand I wouldn't shove because a) it's the bubble and b) the button is the big stack so he can call your shove and only lose 1/3 of his stack.

[philly and the phanatics]

The Q7o hand I wouldn't shove because a) it's the bubble and b) the button is the big stack so he can call your shove and only lose 1/3 of his stack.

nah, its an 18 man, sorry 11 people left, i thought it said it at the top of the header my bad

[caddie444]

Hand #1 is a fold preflop... as played call and be prepared to lose

Hand #2 I wouldn't shove this just yet. Blinds are still workable and you have the bigstack on the button.


Also I don't understand how there's a UTG, button, SB and BB in hand #2 but it says '2 folds' preflop...

This would mean that there we five players at the table no?

[philly and the phanatics]

idk why it does it, it must be something with the hand converter, i just put it in again and the same thing happend but there are actually 5 people in the hand, here is the PS HH for the hand, if anyone knows why the hand converter is doing this please help me out:


PokerStars Game #21848622111: Tournament #119086313, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/11/07 22:01:48 ET
Table '119086313 2' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: mmary (5070 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: andyhen2 (4615 in chips)
Seat 6: redskins915 (2155 in chips)
Seat 7: reddragon941 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: batesy89313 (2520 in chips)
redskins915: posts small blind 75
reddragon941: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to reddragon941 [Qs 7d]
batesy89313: folds
mmary: folds
andyhen2: calls 150
redskins915: calls 75
reddragon941: raises 1350 to 1500 and is all-in

[Nakamura]

Hand 1 is strictly push or fold. In this case I think I fold pre-flop. As played I would call.

Hand 2. You aren't short enough yet to warrant this play. I would fold and look for a better spot.

[Rage2100]

Hand 1: I would just fold pre-flop.

Hand 2: I would check here and see a free flop.

[caddie444]

Hand 2. You aren't short enough yet to warrant this play. I would fold and look for a better spot.

he means check obv

[bigspenda73]

Hand 1 is a jam PF

[taipan168]

Hand 1 is a jam PF

No, almost certainly not since it's the bubble of an 18 man and there is a microstack who will eat the blinds in two hands' time.

[bigspenda73]

thought this was 2tables left of a 45man, then I read thread and realized there's 11 left which means it's nowhere near the bubble.

[taipan168]

thought this was 2tables left of a 45man, then I read thread and realized there's 11 left which means it's nowhere near the bubble.

I think OP was referring to the Q7 hand when he said that. Not sure how many are left on the KTo hand, maybe OP can clarify.

[bigspenda73]

yea, I ran my numbers and it seems like KTo is at the bottom of our shoving range, so I guess a lot of it is opponent driven but I typically like jamming here as long as we are not on the bubble.

[Outlaw]

Fold hand 1 preflop- as played, you need to call, hand 2 is standard.