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  1. #1

    Default QQ with opponent playing back at us

    Reraises like this are normally consistent with AA, QQ, KK, AQ or AK. I rarely, if ever, see opponents reraising like this with JJ or less. Should Hero just get all-in pre-flop or call and see if a A or K lands?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $5.00+$0.20 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Button (t1500)
    SB (t1500)
    BB (t1500)
    UTG (t1500)
    Hero (UTG+1) (t1500)
    UTG+2 (t1500)
    MP1 (t1500)
    MP2 (t1500)
    MP3 (t1500)
    CO (t1500)

    Hero's M: 50.00

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with ,
    1 fold, Hero raises to t100, 3 folds, MP3 raises to t300, 4 folds, Hero calls t200

    Flop: (t630) , , (2 players)
    Hero bets t360, MP3 raises to t1200 (All-In), Hero calls t840 (All-In)

    Turn: (t3030) (2 players, 2 all-in)

    River: (t3030) (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: t3030
  2. #2
    4 bet pre flop. Board is draw heavy and he could have trips. He could also have AK like a lot of morons do but you don't know where you are.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder
    4 bet pre flop. Board is draw heavy and he could have trips. He could also have AK like a lot of morons do but you don't know where you are.
    Yeah, I'm not really worried post-flop except for AA or KK. There are a number of hands that could cause him to move AI with.

    Are you suggesting raising it to 1200 chips PF? If so why not just push?
  4. #4
    Going all in is your prerogative. However, you didn't let go of the hand and were prepared to go all the way so all in pf may have been the best option as it gave you fold equity.

    As it stands, villain has raised you twice, indicating KK or AA is very real. You admit to fearing this yet you called an all in anyway. How you can feel this shove with QQ was EV+ yet shoving KA vs probable air was EV- is lost on me.
  5. #5
    I think you give villians too much credit if you think thats their 3betting range, especially given this is a $5.50. I'd ship it in preflop. As played I dont understand the flop lead...let the 3better continuation bet so you can crai

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    Board:
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 52.992% 51.65% 01.34% 228176244 5929362.00 { QQ }
    Hand 1: 47.008% 45.67% 01.34% 201739464 5929362.00 { TT+, AQs+, AKo }
  6. #6
    I agree with fjuanl, I just shove over preflop, if he has AA or KK then so be it. At a $5.50 you see them 3-bet preflop with all sorts of crap.

    As played I am fine with the lead or a C-R as fjuanl suggested. I'm not ever folding this with an overpair and flush draw:

    Board: 6h Th Jh
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 47.582% 46.59% 00.99% 14759 315.00 { QcQh }
    Hand 1: 52.418% 51.42% 00.99% 16291 315.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }
  7. #7
    I think you can'T show him a turn or a river on that hand.you need to push him on that flop with that overpair and a kind of a good flushdraw in the back. don't give him nearly free cards.
  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by fjuanl
    I think you give villians too much credit if you think thats their 3betting range, especially given this is a $5.50.
    Hmm perhaps, I wish there was a way of weighting hands since it's usual to see a villain carrying of the hands I mentioned. Of course at the $5.50 tables you sometimes get opps who haven't a clue so there is some merit in widening this range.
  9. #9
    I shove this pre-flop if the re-raiser is not a known reg.. They re-raise with lots of hands.. don't be surprised to see even 88-99 here..
    don't listen to a thing I say.. I can't beat 6.50s..
  10. #10
    Fine as played minus the donk lead. you have the Qh and overs, go all the way with this one.
  11. #11
    Fine as played minus the donk lead. you have the Qh and overs, go all the way with this one.

    I like the call pf as it disguises QQ if the villain has something like Aj.

    Tj
  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw
    Fine as played minus the donk lead. you have the Qh and overs, go all the way with this one.

    I like the call pf as it disguises QQ if the villain has something like Aj.

    Tj
    I don't really understand what is wrong with the lead. We obv aren't folding here with an overpair and flush draw. We want to get the villain to get all his chips in. The worst case on the flop is we check he checks. So why is sticking a small bet in (that the villain may come over or call) a bad idea?

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