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  1. #1

    Default Folding vs Completing vs Shoving Ranges

    Alright turbo 180man I'm looking for your ranges for the 3 possible actions (obv you don't have to type out your folding range):

    I just shoved the previous hand with 2 limps to me and took it down PF, I've shoved twice in the past orbit with out being called

    MP2 (t3650)
    CO (t1390)
    Button (t1435)
    Hero (SB) (t2025)
    BB (t3190)
    UTG (t13861)
    UTG+1 (t1525)
    MP1 (t3065)

    Hero's M: 6.75

    Preflop: Hero is SB with some cards

    UTG calls t200, 3 folds, CO calls t200, 1 fold, Hero
  2. #2
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    considering stack sizes from villains and our recent activity I'm not shoving very light here. I think these things matter more then our actual holdings.

    If I must give a range, perhaps I'm calling low pp's and shoving anything over 88 and AJ+.
  3. #3
    Calling PP's is a leak with your stack me thinks. We basically have no implied odds and small PP's are mostly impossible to play with no stack to work with and the ranges being so wide on the limpers it will be hard to tell when our hand is good and when it is not. I think you have to move in with any pair if you are playing them in this spot at all.
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  4. #4
    you aren't ever folding a PP, we have almost direct odds to flop a set.

    I'd shove more than 5%, less than 10% and limp PPs not in there + probably anything connected-3 gapish or suited.
  5. #5
    It happens so often that one of these limpers will call you with 22 because you've been shoving a lot and they have a pocket pair yo. The value of medium PP's is a lot higher than usual in this spot.

    I'd shove somewhere around 9% or 10% and complete 22-55 and any SC's that I'm not shoving. FWIW I think completing with marginal connected hands like 87o is a leak here.
  6. #6
    yea took me a while to realize completing with hands that make weak top-pair or 2nd pr type hands is bad here.

    I completed KTs in this spot, felt too strong to fold but a bit too weak with my image to shove.
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by mcatdog
    complete 22-55 and any SC's that I'm not shoving.
    I don't really understand how this range works in this spot. Since our stack is so small we dont really have implied odds and almost all flops will suck this range? I am sure I am missing something.
    Field mice are fast, but owls can see in the dark.
    <Bbickes> i still wanna know if the thing in your avatar is a real chick or not
    <Bbickes> or am i e-crushing a dude
  8. #8
    we have 7/1, you don't need big implied odds.

    re the gappers I'm totally cool getting my chips in here with 97 on a 946 flop because I think a lot of the same people call with 22 that would have called pre. I also placed a premium on getting above 10M ish in these tourneys
  9. #9
    well people limp like 77-TT a lot for some reason so felting a 6-high flop is generally bad at these levels
  10. #10
    I'm with gnomes, how can you complete when 10bbs? I would think shove or fold.

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