This was pathetic, where did I miss shoving (180man)?

[bigspenda73]

So I just totally blinded out of this one, wtf-over?

-----Hand 3-----
Hero's M = 9.53
PokerStars Game #21797732564: Tournament #118711412, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/11/05 23:44:21 ET
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Table '118711412 4' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: rbbarry (1220 in chips)
Seat 2: LolTrappedU (1430 in chips)
Seat 3: Reco77 (1415 in chips)
Seat 4: bebepatte (1815 in chips)
Seat 5: spacejam08 (1205 in chips)
Seat 6: wrenwick (3555 in chips)
Seat 7: smitw2 (1375 in chips)
Seat 8: mcprolink (5150 in chips)
Seat 9: onlytokin (1835 in chips)
rbbarry: posts small blind 50
LolTrappedU: posts big blind 100
Preflop: LolTrappedU dealt A J
Reco77: folds
bebepatte: folds
spacejam08: folds
wrenwick: folds
smitw2: folds
mcprolink: raises 100 to 200

onlytokin: calls 200
rbbarry: folds
LolTrappedU: raises 1230 to 1430 and is all-in

mcprolink: folds
onlytokin: folds
Uncalled bet (1230) returned to LolTrappedU
LolTrappedU collected 650 from pot
LolTrappedU: doesn't show hand


K 2 SB (M = 12.53; f+f+c+f+f+f+f+F)
K 7 BU (M = 12.20; f+f+f+f+f+f+F)
6 2 CO (M = 12.20; c+f+f+f+f+F)
4 2 CO-1 (M = 12.20; f+c+c+f+F)
9 4 MP1 (M = 8.13; f+f+F)
8 J MP1 (M = 8.13; c+f+F)
J 2 UTG+1 (M = 8.13; f+F)
3 J UTG (M = 6.10; F)
9 K SB (M = 6.10; f+f+f+f+r+f+F)

-----Hand 4-----
Hero's M = 5.77
PokerStars Game #21797932930: Tournament #118711412, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/11/05 23:55:48 ET
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Table '118711412 4' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: tubby33 (14133 in chips)
Seat 2: LolTrappedU (1730 in chips)
Seat 3: Reco77 (3355 in chips)
Seat 4: bebepatte (815 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: spacejam08 (805 in chips)
Seat 6: wrenwick (1155 in chips)
Seat 7: smitw2 (2750 in chips)
Seat 8: mcprolink (6150 in chips)
Seat 9: onlytokin (1860 in chips)
Reco77: posts small blind 100
bebepatte: posts big blind 200
Preflop: LolTrappedU dealt Q K
spacejam08: calls 200
wrenwick: folds
smitw2: folds
mcprolink: calls 200
onlytokin: folds
tubby33: calls 200
LolTrappedU: raises 1530 to 1730 and is all-in

Reco77: folds
bebepatte: folds
spacejam08: calls 605 and is all-in

mcprolink: folds
tubby33: calls 1530
Flop: 2 2 4
Turn: 9
River: 3
Showdown:
tubby33: shows A K (a pair of Deuces)
LolTrappedU: shows Q K (a flush, King high)
LolTrappedU collected 1850 from side pot
spacejam08: shows 9 9 (a full house, Nines full of Deuces)
spacejam08 collected 2915 from main pot


6 4 CO (M = 6.17; f+f+c+c+f+F)
K 6 MP2 (M = 6.17; f+f+f+F)
6 7 MP1 (M = 6.17; f+r+F)
3 9 UTG+1 (M = 6.17; r+F)
4 3 UTG (M = 3.22; F)
7 9 BB (M = 3.04; f+f+r+f+f+f+c+r+F)

-----Hand 5-----
Hero's M = 2.70
PokerStars Game #21798024211: Tournament #118711412, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2008/11/06 0:01:10 ET
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Table '118711412 4' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tubby33 (15998 in chips)
Seat 2: LolTrappedU (1550 in chips)
Seat 3: Reco77 (3605 in chips)
Seat 4: skithepowder (3860 in chips)
Seat 5: spacejam08 (1615 in chips)
Seat 6: wrenwick (1695 in chips)
Seat 7: smitw2 (2400 in chips)
Seat 8: mcprolink (5400 in chips)
All players post the ante 25
LolTrappedU: posts small blind 125
Reco77: posts big blind 250
Preflop: LolTrappedU dealt Q J
skithepowder: folds
spacejam08: calls 250
wrenwick: folds
smitw2: folds
mcprolink: folds
tubby33: calls 250
LolTrappedU: calls 125
Reco77: checks
Flop: T T 5
LolTrappedU: checks
Reco77: checks
spacejam08: checks
tubby33: checks
Turn: 3
LolTrappedU: checks
Reco77: bets 250

spacejam08: folds
tubby33: calls 250
LolTrappedU: folds
River: 4
Reco77: bets 500

tubby33: folds
Uncalled bet (500) returned to Reco77
Reco77 collected 1700 from pot
Reco77: doesn't show hand


Q 2 BU (M = 2.22; f+c+f+f+f+F)
Q T CO (M = 2.27; c+f+f+F)
6 4 MP2 (M = 1.88; f+f+c+F)
K 6 MP1 (M = 1.85; f+c+F)
5 9 UTG+1 (M = 1.81; f+F)
8 9 UTG (M = 1.77; F)
3 7 BB (M = 1.73; c+f+f+f+c+p+f+F)
Q 2 SB (M = 0.76; f+r+f+f+f+f+c+F)
4 3 BU (M = 0.52; f+f+f+f+c+f+F)

-----Hand 6-----
Hero's M = ???
PokerStars Game #21798199340: Tournament #118711412, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2008/11/06 0:11:44 ET
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Table '118711412 4' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: tubby33 (20423 in chips)
Seat 2: LolTrappedU (500 in chips)
Seat 3: Reco77 (165 in chips)
Seat 4: skithepowder (2660 in chips)
Seat 5: mccuemike80 (7130 in chips)
Seat 6: fried863 (2405 in chips)
Seat 7: smitw2 (5275 in chips)
Seat 8: mcprolink (5900 in chips)
Seat 9: the1stQUEEN (7330 in chips)
All players post the ante 50
skithepowder: posts small blind 200
mccuemike80: posts big blind 400
Preflop: LolTrappedU dealt J T
fried863: calls 400
smitw2: folds
mcprolink: folds
the1stQUEEN: folds
tubby33: folds
LolTrappedU: raises 50 to 450 and is all-in

Reco77: calls 115 and is all-in

skithepowder: calls 250
mccuemike80: folds
fried863: calls 50
Flop: 4 8 K
skithepowder: checks
fried863: checks
Turn: 3
skithepowder: checks
fried863: checks
River: 5
skithepowder: bets 1200

fried863: calls 1200
Showdown:
skithepowder: shows 7 T (a flush, Ten high)
fried863: mucks hand
skithepowder collected 2400 from side pot-2
LolTrappedU: mucks hand
skithepowder collected 1290 from side pot-1
Reco77: mucks hand
skithepowder collected 1025 from main pot



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[bigspenda73]

on that Q2o hand in the SB I was getting an awesome price but it just felt so meh getting that in there

[donkbee]

I don't like completing in hand 5 with QJ.

Push UTG with 89s.

[mcatdog]

8 9 UTG (M = 1.77; F)

[bigspenda73]

yea, after talking to ppl who know a lot more than me I should have shipped it, can you give me your range for shoving there?

Also, here's another tourney:

2 9 SB (M = 18.98; f+f+f+f+c+f+F)
2 4 BU (M = 18.64; c+c+f+f+c+f+F)
5 2 CO (M = 18.64; f+f+f+f+f+F)
T 4 CO-1 (M = 18.64; f+f+c+f+F)
K 2 MP2 (M = 18.64; f+f+f+F)
2 K MP1 (M = 13.98; f+f+F)
Q 4 UTG+1 (M = 13.98; f+F)
A 7 UTG (M = 13.98; F)
9 2 SB (M = 13.98; f+f+f+f+f+c+F)

-----Hand 5-----
Hero's M = 13.65
PokerStars Game #21799041732: Tournament #118720286, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/11/06 1:09:06 ET
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Table '118720286 17' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: Normstar71 (1470 in chips)
Seat 3: LolTrappedU (4095 in chips)
Seat 4: Quadman69 (1613 in chips)
Seat 5: skithepowder (1080 in chips)
Seat 6: papaodie (2905 in chips)
Seat 7: belgarf1 (3155 in chips)
Seat 8: ASilver (598 in chips)
Seat 9: Anik99 (3400 in chips)
Quadman69: posts small blind 100
skithepowder: posts big blind 200
Preflop: LolTrappedU dealt Q 9
papaodie: folds
belgarf1: folds
ASilver: folds
Anik99: folds
Normstar71: folds
LolTrappedU: raises 3895 to 4095 and is all-in

Quadman69: folds
skithepowder: calls 880 and is all-in

Uncalled bet (3015) returned to LolTrappedU
Flop: 3 7 A
Turn: 5
River: 2
Showdown:
skithepowder: shows Q T (high card Ace)
LolTrappedU: shows Q 9 (high card Ace - lower kicker)
skithepowder collected 2260 from pot


5 4 CO (M = 10.05; f+f+c+r+f+F)
J 9 MP2 (M = 5.24; f+f+f+F)
4 3 MP2 (M = 4.98; f+f+f+F)
J 9 UTG+1 (M = 5.16; f+F)
7 J UTG (M = 5.11; F)
T 8 BB (M = 4.48; r+f+f+f+f+f+c+F)
3 8 SB (M = 3.98; f+c+f+f+r+f+F)
K 4 BU (M = 3.72; f+f+f+f+c+F)
4 T CO (M = 3.54; f+f+f+f+f+F)
3 7 CO (M = 3.64; c+f+f+f+F)
7 5 MP2 (M = 2.34; f+f+f+F)
2 7 MP1 (M = 2.29; r+f+F)
7 5 UTG+1 (M = 2.24; f+F)
8 5 UTG (M = 2.19; F)
5 6 BB (M = 2.14; f+r+f+f+c+f+f+F)
5 6 SB (M = 1.69; f+f+f+c+f+f+F)
2 K BU (M = 1.44; f+r+f+f+f+F)
7 6 CO (M = 1.07; f+f+f+c+F)
8 7 MP2 (M = 1.03; r+f+p+F)
5 3 MP1 (M = 0.99; f+c+F)

-----Hand 6-----
Hero's M = 0.95
PokerStars Game #21799282732: Tournament #118720286, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2008/11/06 1:28:30 ET
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Table '118720286 19' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: boobooshi (15700 in chips)
Seat 2: Card_Monkie (4700 in chips)
Seat 4: LolTrappedU (1240 in chips)
Seat 5: aquaman802 (10150 in chips)
Seat 6: lety64 (3490 in chips)
Seat 7: MrFrach (9175 in chips)
Seat 8: DsInTheBank (8470 in chips)
Seat 9: KillaPmoney (14345 in chips)
All players post the ante 50
KillaPmoney: posts small blind 300
boobooshi: posts big blind 600
Preflop: LolTrappedU dealt K 3
Card_Monkie: folds
LolTrappedU: raises 590 to 1190 and is all-in

aquaman802: folds
lety64: folds
MrFrach: folds
DsInTheBank: folds
KillaPmoney: calls 890
boobooshi: calls 590
Flop: A 2 7
KillaPmoney: checks
boobooshi: checks
Turn: 7
KillaPmoney: checks
boobooshi: checks
River: T
KillaPmoney: checks
boobooshi: checks
Showdown:
KillaPmoney: shows 6 4 (a pair of Sevens)
boobooshi: shows T 9 (two pair, Tens and Sevens)
LolTrappedU: mucks hand
boobooshi collected 3970 from pot



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[drmcboy]

where are we vs the money?

J9o MP2, J9s UTG and K4o BU are very close, kill everyone's chart shoves J9s, JTs and K5o in those spots so if people are tightish those are fine hands to go with

75o MP2 is again super close, I would shove 76 for sure. If you think you have like a sliver of FE shove for sure

I would probably just gamble with the 87 and 76 there are the end, esp vs the cold call. with no FE a price is good

KE charts stop at 3 M. Under there with an ante they suggest any two 8 or higher, 'most suited hands', and connectors 65+ and again they want to gamble vs limpers if possible. below 1 M it's atc time

obv you have to start thinking about ICM also if the money is close

[bigspenda73]

tough to say how many ppl exactly at each time but I finished in the top 40 in both

[DoanDiggy]

I kind of like a stop and go on Hand 5? Shove any flop, and especially that one?

edit: Referring to your original post, that is.

[bigspenda73]

you mean the QJo where I completed

[DoanDiggy]

Yeah, any reason not to shove the QJ after that flop? It can't have hit very many hands. Or do you think it's just too obvious and you'll get looked up by any A or pair? What about shoving the turn after all the flop checks and a ridiculous turn card?

I'm not saying this as a suggestion, I'm mostly curious myself if this is a decent move or not. For what it's worth, I would have probably just shoved this hand preflop. You still have a little bit of fold equity, and you're probably at least 40% against any unpaired callers. With all that money in the pot, it seems like one of the best spots you can ask for. But I'm not very good.

Then again, since I'm not very good, I have a good amount of experience playing as the short stack. In fact, just today I got down to 125 chips at 100/200 in a 1-table SNG and came back to win.