2/4 - Two AA hands

[zook]

A couple of AA hands where I actually contemplated folding!

1. Villain is a reg running 22/18/3.9, 3bets 6.5%, WTSD 21% over 3k hands. I think he's relatively new to 2/4 (last couple of weeks) b/c the only note I have on him is that he 4b me ip with AKo and I shoved 66.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Hero (SB) ($402)
BB ($400)
UTG ($726)
MP ($458.40)
CO ($1295.60)
Button ($455)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A
4 folds, Hero raises to $14, BB calls $10

Flop: ($28) K, 4, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $22, BB calls $22

Turn: ($72) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $50, BB calls $50

River: ($172) J (2 players)
Hero bets $120, BB raises to $314 (All-In), Hero... ($194 to call to win $600ish).

2. Never seen villain before, he's running 28/22/11 over about 100 hands. No history.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Hero (Button) ($456.20)
SB ($545.50)
BB ($400)
UTG ($402)
MP ($400)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A
Hero raises to $14, 3 folds, MP calls $10

Flop: ($30) 3, 6, 5 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $24, MP raises to $74, Hero calls $50

Turn: ($178) Q (2 players)
MP bets $75, Hero calls $75

River: ($328) 5 (2 players)
MP bets $237 (All-In), Hero... ($237 to call to win $560ish)

Both villains took a little time before shoving the river.

[griffey24]

I think the first one is a fold. The flop is so dry that he can definitely be slow playing set all the way down to the river. Definitely a backdoor flush is possible, as well as a raise from KJ. All of these hands seem reasonable here.

Second one I call, cause the 5 river takes away a lot of the combo's he's repping. I'd have a lot easier time folding if the river wasn't a 5.

(edit: though I do admit.. that turn bet just looks like its sucking us in. But 78 doesn't get there, and 34/46 could be turning into a bluff? meh...)

[nutsinho]

fold aces?? who does that? these look like pretty good spots to do so.

[nutsinho]

fwiw i would call both of them if i were playing against myself though.

[a500lbgorilla]

I want to fold both, but I don't think I fold the second in the heat of the moment. Because I has 2 pairs!

[a500lbgorilla]

aaaand i probably dont fold the first, im a fish

[IowaSkinsFan]

follld both, although i think the 2nd one is close.

[thizzSantaCruz]

I would probably fold the 2nd hand on the turn. Is that bad? *edit* just noticed the small bet size so I would probably call. If he bet bigger how does that change the hand?

[baudib]

Do we get a prize if we guess correctly?

1. I think you're beat here. I'm thinking a set, KJ or QT hearts.

2. I think you're good on this one, as I think villain has a smaller overpair much of the time.

[zook]

Do we get a prize if we guess correctly?

No. And I actually folded one of the hands so I don't know results for both.

[bode]

i think both are folds, although i want to call the second one kind of. hand 1, no one is ever taking this line as a bluff because its just not credible, so its an easy fold for me. (or does he know this and it should be a call, hmm....)

hand 2