Couldn't get anything going - missing something?

[Danh Bai]

Can you show me some spots where i could have done something here?? This is like the 4th one today exactly liket this one and fairly typical. As a sidenote, I shakscoped the players and the chipleaders were all losers while the guy who didn't play a single hand showed the most profit.

---Tournament Summary---
$3.30 SNG: Finished 5/9 for $0
Data for 59 hands.
You played 14 hands (23.73%)
You raised 8 times preflop (13.56%)


-----Hand 1-----
Hero's M = 50.00
PokerStars Game #22403990357: Tournament #123257004, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/11/27 5:11:23 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '123257004 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: rock man1954 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: peterkant (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: ThangLuon (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: Bolongo Bay (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: 13Mad (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: R8rNation5 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: Dorgiger (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: Nihilisti (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: T-Pelé (1500 in chips)
peterkant: posts small blind 10
ThangLuon: posts big blind 20
Preflop: ThangLuon dealt 3 J
Bolongo Bay: folds
13Mad: folds
R8rNation5: folds
Dorgiger has timed out
Dorgiger: folds
Nihilisti: folds
T-Pelé: folds
rock man1954: folds
peterkant: calls 10
ThangLuon: checks
Flop: 5 K 4
Dorgiger has returned
peterkant: bets 80

ThangLuon: folds
Uncalled bet (80) returned to peterkant
peterkant collected 40 from pot
peterkant: doesn't show hand


Q 6 SB (M = 49.33; r+r+f+f+f+f+f+F)
3 3 BU (M = 49.00; r+f+f+f+f+f+F)
9 Q CO (M = 49.00; f+f+f+f+c+F)

-----Hand 2-----
Hero's M = 49.00
PokerStars Game #22404031592: Tournament #123257004, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/11/27 5:15:17 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '123257004 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: rock man1954 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: peterkant (1460 in chips)
Seat 3: ThangLuon (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: Bolongo Bay (1450 in chips)
Seat 5: 13Mad (1610 in chips)
Seat 6: R8rNation5 (1510 in chips)
Seat 7: Dorgiger (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: Nihilisti (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: T-Pelé (1500 in chips)
R8rNation5: posts small blind 10
Dorgiger: posts big blind 20
Preflop: ThangLuon dealt K K
Nihilisti: folds
T-Pelé: calls 20
rock man1954: folds
peterkant: folds
ThangLuon: raises 80 to 100

Bolongo Bay: calls 100
13Mad: folds
R8rNation5: folds
Dorgiger: folds
T-Pelé: folds
Flop: 9 4 Q
ThangLuon: bets 250

Bolongo Bay: folds
Uncalled bet (250) returned to ThangLuon
ThangLuon collected 250 from pot
ThangLuon: doesn't show hand


5 7 MP2 (M = 54.00; f+f+c+F)
9 T UTG+1 (M = 54.00; f+F)
3 Q UTG (M = 54.00; F)
7 6 BB (M = 54.00; c+r+f+f+f+c+f+F)
3 Q SB (M = 35.56; f+r+f+f+f+f+F)
5 2 BU (M = 35.22; c+f+c+f+f+F)
K 3 CO (M = 35.22; f+f+f+F)
4 6 MP1 (M = 35.22; c+c+F)
3 Q UTG+1 (M = 35.22; c+F)

-----Hand 3-----
Hero's M = 35.22
PokerStars Game #22404158453: Tournament #123257004, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/11/27 5:27:24 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '123257004 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: rock man1954 (2500 in chips)
Seat 3: ThangLuon (1585 in chips)
Seat 4: Bolongo Bay (1670 in chips)
Seat 6: R8rNation5 (2955 in chips)
Seat 7: Dorgiger (1295 in chips)
Seat 8: Nihilisti (1305 in chips)
Seat 9: T-Pelé (2190 in chips)
T-Pelé: posts small blind 15
rock man1954: posts big blind 30
Preflop: ThangLuon dealt Q K
ThangLuon: raises 60 to 90

Bolongo Bay: folds
R8rNation5: folds
Dorgiger: folds
Nihilisti: folds
T-Pelé: folds
rock man1954: folds
Uncalled bet (60) returned to ThangLuon
ThangLuon collected 75 from pot
ThangLuon: doesn't show hand


9 6 BB (M = 36.22; c+c+f+f+r+f+F)
4 7 SB (M = 35.56; f+f+f+r+f+F)
K 2 BU (M = 35.22; f+f+f+f+F)

-----Hand 4-----
Hero's M = 35.22
PokerStars Game #22404200311: Tournament #123257004, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/11/27 5:31:25 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '123257004 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: rock man1954 (2455 in chips)
Seat 3: ThangLuon (1585 in chips)
Seat 4: Bolongo Bay (1475 in chips)
Seat 6: R8rNation5 (2535 in chips)
Seat 7: Dorgiger (1295 in chips)
Seat 8: Nihilisti (1305 in chips)
Seat 9: T-Pelé (2850 in chips)
R8rNation5: posts small blind 15
Dorgiger: posts big blind 30
Preflop: ThangLuon dealt K A
Nihilisti: folds
T-Pelé: calls 30
rock man1954: folds
ThangLuon: raises 60 to 90

Bolongo Bay: folds
R8rNation5: folds
Dorgiger: folds
T-Pelé: calls 60
Flop: 4 T A
T-Pelé: checks
ThangLuon: bets 225

T-Pelé: folds
Uncalled bet (225) returned to ThangLuon
ThangLuon collected 225 from pot
ThangLuon: doesn't show hand


T 6 MP1 (M = 22.93; f+f+F)
A J UTG+1 (M = 22.93; f+F)
6 3 UTG (M = 22.93; F)

-----Hand 5-----
Hero's M = 22.93
PokerStars Game #22404237651: Tournament #123257004, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/11/27 5:35:05 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '123257004 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: rock man1954 (2405 in chips)
Seat 3: ThangLuon (1720 in chips)
Seat 4: Bolongo Bay (1425 in chips)
Seat 6: R8rNation5 (1645 in chips)
Seat 7: Dorgiger (1815 in chips)
Seat 8: Nihilisti (1230 in chips)
Seat 9: T-Pelé (3260 in chips)
rock man1954: posts small blind 25
ThangLuon: posts big blind 50
Preflop: ThangLuon dealt 2 3
Bolongo Bay: folds
R8rNation5: folds
Dorgiger: folds
Nihilisti: folds
T-Pelé: folds
rock man1954: calls 25
ThangLuon: checks
Flop: Q 4 J
rock man1954: checks
ThangLuon: checks
Turn: K
rock man1954: checks
ThangLuon: checks
River: 5
rock man1954: checks
ThangLuon: checks
Showdown:
rock man1954: shows T 6 (high card King)
ThangLuon: mucks hand
rock man1954 collected 100 from pot


5 7 SB (M = 22.27; f+f+f+r+f+F)
K 9 BU (M = 21.93; f+f+f+f+F)

-----Hand 6-----
Hero's M = 21.93
PokerStars Game #22404258287: Tournament #123257004, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/11/27 5:37:04 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '123257004 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: rock man1954 (2455 in chips)
Seat 3: ThangLuon (1645 in chips)
Seat 4: Bolongo Bay (1325 in chips)
Seat 6: R8rNation5 (1695 in chips)
Seat 7: Dorgiger (1815 in chips)
Seat 8: Nihilisti (1230 in chips)
Seat 9: T-Pelé (3335 in chips)
R8rNation5: posts small blind 25
Dorgiger: posts big blind 50
Preflop: ThangLuon dealt T T
Nihilisti: folds
T-Pelé: folds
rock man1954: folds
ThangLuon: raises 125 to 175

Bolongo Bay: folds
R8rNation5: folds
Dorgiger: folds
Uncalled bet (125) returned to ThangLuon
ThangLuon collected 125 from pot
ThangLuon: doesn't show hand



-----Hand 7-----
Hero's M = 22.93
PokerStars Game #22404264557: Tournament #123257004, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/11/27 5:37:40 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '123257004 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: rock man1954 (2455 in chips)
Seat 3: ThangLuon (1720 in chips)
Seat 4: Bolongo Bay (1325 in chips)
Seat 6: R8rNation5 (1670 in chips)
Seat 7: Dorgiger (1765 in chips)
Seat 8: Nihilisti (1230 in chips)
Seat 9: T-Pelé (3335 in chips)
Dorgiger: posts small blind 25
Nihilisti: posts big blind 50
Preflop: ThangLuon dealt 3 3
T-Pelé: calls 50
rock man1954: folds
ThangLuon: calls 50
Bolongo Bay: folds
R8rNation5: calls 50
Dorgiger: folds
Nihilisti: checks
Flop: K 6 2
Nihilisti: checks
T-Pelé: checks
ThangLuon: checks
R8rNation5: bets 300

Nihilisti: folds
T-Pelé: folds
ThangLuon: folds
Uncalled bet (300) returned to R8rNation5
R8rNation5 collected 225 from pot
R8rNation5: doesn't show hand


7 9 UTG+1 (M = 22.27; f+F)
4 K UTG (M = 22.27; F)
2 J BB (M = 22.27; r+f+f+f+f+F)
9 6 SB (M = 21.60; f+f+c+r+F)
A 8 BU (M = 10.63; f+f+f+F)
8 J CO (M = 10.63; f+f+F)
6 7 MP1 (M = 10.63; f+F)
J 3 UTG (M = 10.63; F)
5 3 BB (M = 10.63; f+f+f+r+f+F)
6 J SB (M = 9.97; r+f+f+f+F)
T 7 BU (M = 9.63; f+f+c+F)
9 6 CO (M = 9.63; f+f+F)
4 5 MP1 (M = 9.63; f+F)
8 7 UTG (M = 9.63; F)
Q 2 BB (M = 9.63; f+f+f+r+f+F)
K 8 SB (M = 8.97; f+f+r+f+F)
3 7 BU (M = 8.63; f+f+f+F)
J 5 CO (M = 8.63; f+f+F)

-----Hand 8-----
Hero's M = 8.63
PokerStars Game #22404407774: Tournament #123257004, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/11/27 5:51:07 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '123257004 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: rock man1954 (3005 in chips)
Seat 3: ThangLuon (1295 in chips)
Seat 6: R8rNation5 (2545 in chips)
Seat 7: Dorgiger (1890 in chips)
Seat 8: Nihilisti (1205 in chips)
Seat 9: T-Pelé (3560 in chips)
Nihilisti: posts small blind 50
T-Pelé: posts big blind 100
Preflop: ThangLuon dealt K T
rock man1954: folds
ThangLuon: raises 250 to 350

R8rNation5: calls 350
Dorgiger: folds
Nihilisti: folds
T-Pelé: folds
Flop: 3 2 7
ThangLuon: checks
R8rNation5: checks
Turn: 4
ThangLuon: checks
R8rNation5: checks
River: 8
ThangLuon: bets 945 and is all-in

R8rNation5: folds
Uncalled bet (945) returned to ThangLuon
ThangLuon collected 850 from pot
ThangLuon: doesn't show hand


9 Q UTG (M = 7.98; F)
4 6 BB (M = 7.98; f+f+f+r+c+F)
A 5 SB (M = 7.31; p+f+f+f+F)
Q 5 BU (M = 6.98; f+c+F)
T 4 CO (M = 6.98; c+F)

-----Hand 9-----
Hero's M = 6.98
PokerStars Game #22404463184: Tournament #123257004, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/11/27 5:56:19 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '123257004 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: rock man1954 (2630 in chips)
Seat 3: ThangLuon (1570 in chips)
Seat 6: R8rNation5 (5735 in chips)
Seat 8: Nihilisti (930 in chips)
Seat 9: T-Pelé (2635 in chips)
T-Pelé: posts small blind 75
rock man1954: posts big blind 150
Preflop: ThangLuon dealt K A
ThangLuon: raises 300 to 450

R8rNation5: folds
Nihilisti: folds
T-Pelé: folds
rock man1954: folds
Uncalled bet (300) returned to ThangLuon
ThangLuon collected 375 from pot
ThangLuon: doesn't show hand



-----Hand 10-----
Hero's M = 7.98
PokerStars Game #22404467243: Tournament #123257004, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/11/27 5:56:41 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '123257004 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: rock man1954 (2480 in chips)
Seat 3: ThangLuon (1795 in chips)
Seat 6: R8rNation5 (5735 in chips)
Seat 8: Nihilisti (930 in chips)
Seat 9: T-Pelé (2560 in chips)
rock man1954: posts small blind 75
ThangLuon: posts big blind 150
Preflop: ThangLuon dealt 8 4
R8rNation5: calls 150
Nihilisti: folds
T-Pelé: folds
rock man1954: calls 75
ThangLuon: checks
Flop: 2 5 6
rock man1954: checks
ThangLuon: checks
R8rNation5: bets 300

rock man1954: folds
ThangLuon: folds
Uncalled bet (300) returned to R8rNation5
R8rNation5 collected 450 from pot



-----Hand 11-----
Hero's M = 7.31
PokerStars Game #22404476866: Tournament #123257004, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/11/27 5:57:35 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '123257004 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: rock man1954 (2330 in chips)
Seat 3: ThangLuon (1645 in chips)
Seat 6: R8rNation5 (6035 in chips)
Seat 8: Nihilisti (930 in chips)
Seat 9: T-Pelé (2560 in chips)
ThangLuon: posts small blind 75
R8rNation5: posts big blind 150
Preflop: ThangLuon dealt 8 A
Nihilisti: folds
T-Pelé: folds
rock man1954: folds
ThangLuon: raises 300 to 450

R8rNation5: raises 900 to 1350

ThangLuon: folds
Uncalled bet (900) returned to R8rNation5
R8rNation5 collected 900 from pot


K 7 BU (M = 5.31; f+c+F)
7 J CO (M = 5.31; f+F)

-----Hand 12-----
Hero's M = 5.31
PokerStars Game #22404500556: Tournament #123257004, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/11/27 5:59:47 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '123257004 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: rock man1954 (2705 in chips)
Seat 3: ThangLuon (1195 in chips)
Seat 6: R8rNation5 (5780 in chips)
Seat 8: Nihilisti (1410 in chips)
Seat 9: T-Pelé (2410 in chips)
T-Pelé: posts small blind 75
rock man1954: posts big blind 150
Preflop: ThangLuon dealt 9 J
ThangLuon: raises 1045 to 1195 and is all-in

R8rNation5: folds
Nihilisti: folds
T-Pelé: folds
rock man1954: folds
Uncalled bet (1045) returned to ThangLuon
ThangLuon collected 375 from pot
ThangLuon: doesn't show hand



-----Hand 13-----
Hero's M = 6.31
PokerStars Game #22404504690: Tournament #123257004, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/11/27 6:00:10 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '123257004 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: rock man1954 (2555 in chips)
Seat 3: ThangLuon (1420 in chips)
Seat 6: R8rNation5 (5780 in chips)
Seat 8: Nihilisti (1410 in chips)
Seat 9: T-Pelé (2335 in chips)
rock man1954: posts small blind 75
ThangLuon: posts big blind 150
Preflop: ThangLuon dealt 7 J
R8rNation5: calls 150
Nihilisti: folds
T-Pelé: calls 150
rock man1954: folds
ThangLuon: checks
Flop: Q 8 Q
ThangLuon: checks
R8rNation5: checks
T-Pelé: bets 300

ThangLuon: folds
R8rNation5: calls 300
Turn: T
R8rNation5: checks
T-Pelé: bets 300

R8rNation5: calls 300
River: 7
R8rNation5: bets 750

T-Pelé: folds
Uncalled bet (750) returned to R8rNation5
R8rNation5 collected 1725 from pot
R8rNation5: doesn't show hand



-----Hand 14-----
Hero's M = 4.23
PokerStars Game #22404521556: Tournament #123257004, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/11/27 6:01:44 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '123257004 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: rock man1954 (2480 in chips)
Seat 3: ThangLuon (1270 in chips)
Seat 6: R8rNation5 (6755 in chips)
Seat 8: Nihilisti (1410 in chips)
Seat 9: T-Pelé (1585 in chips)
ThangLuon: posts small blind 100
R8rNation5: posts big blind 200
Preflop: ThangLuon dealt K 4
Nihilisti: folds
T-Pelé: folds
rock man1954: calls 200
ThangLuon: calls 100
R8rNation5: checks
Flop: T 8 T
ThangLuon: bets 1070 and is all-in

R8rNation5: folds
rock man1954: calls 1070
Turn: 7
River: J
Showdown:
ThangLuon: shows K 4 (a pair of Tens)
rock man1954: shows K K (two pair, Kings and Tens)
rock man1954 collected 2740 from pot



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[Jack Sawyer]

you win some you lose some

c'est la vie.

[ministaker]

From hand 8 onward (when you have an M of less than 10) you should be in shove or fold mode.

Hand 11 is a big no no. If you want to steal from the BB, shoving is a better option. I would have NEVER raised and fold here.

[taipan168]

When you have <13x BB you should be shoving or folding preflop. Standard raising then folding to a shove is a disaster as in hand 11.

3 3 BU (M = 49.00; r+f+f+f+f+f+F) (between 1 and 2) - if the amount of chips you had to call was ~15x the chips you could win (the shorter of your stack or opp's stack plus the chips in the pot) I would call and play for set value

3. KQs - I fold this from UTG, I would want to be in at least the HJ before I open raised with this

4. AKo - your preflop raise is too small. Make it 120-150 to go after the limper - if they'll call another 60 they'll call another 90-120 meaning you have a bigger pot to win. As played, no need to bet full pot on the flop. 150-180 would be better and would still give incorrect odds to somebody chasing anything other than a monster draw.

6. TT - small point, but I make it 150 to go

A 8 BU (M = 10.63; f+f+f+F) (between 7 and 8) - I would raise this 2.5x BB since it's folded to you

8. KTo - definite fold preflop for me from EP

9. AKo - shove or fold preflop with your stack size, and I would definitely shove this

11. A8o - shove or fold preflop rather than standard raising and I would shove this 100% of the time. As played, it is a disaster to raise 30% of your stack then fold to a raise, the big stack could be doing this with a wide range of hands, I definitely call

12. J9s - right idea, but this is not a good shove from UTG

14. K4s - I would fold preflop rather than completing the SB, I don't want to complete for almost 10% of my stack, I want to save my chips for a time when I can get 'em all in. As played, shove is OK I guess but it's very transparent that you have a FD, but conversely the TT8 board is less likely to have hit somebody.

[Danh Bai]

[quote="taipan168"]When you have <13x BB you should be shoving or folding preflop. Standard raising then folding to a shove is a disaster as in hand 11.

>Yep, won't do that again.

3 3 BU (M = 49.00; r+f+f+f+f+f+F) (between 1 and 2) - if the amount of chips you had to call was ~15x the chips you could win (the shorter of your stack or opp's stack plus the chips in the pot) I would call and play for set value

>Opp raised 9xbb, so had to let it go

3. KQs - I fold this from UTG, I would want to be in at least the HJ before I open raised with this

>How about just calling hoping to see a cheap flop?
/quote]

[taipan168]

3. KQs - I fold this from UTG, I would want to be in at least the HJ before I open raised with this

>How about just calling hoping to see a cheap flop?

No, your position sucks both preflop and post. Also, if you get raised then you may be getting big pot odds to call but will have no idea whether you're ahead or behind on a K/Q high flop. Just fold it even though it looks all pretty.

[triumphant cracker]

ok..i know this has little to do with your post...however..what are you using to post your hands?

ive seen everyone do it..but if you could point the way ...

thanx.t.c.

[triumphant cracker]

oops..sorry..never mind..
i just read the sticky..

sorry.

[DoanDiggy]

The main thing I noticed was that you were blasting people out of pots that you were way ahead of. Betting more than pot on Hand 2 and Hand 4 is chasing away a lot of worse hands and rarely getting called by anything but better hands. In other words, on hand 2, a hand like AJ might float you a street with a smaller bet. On hand 4, a flush draw or a hand like T9 stays in the pot with smaller bets. It sucks to get sucked out on, but you lose a lot of value when you just take it down on the flop with such strong holdings.