Britain Starts Their National ID Bullshit

[Thunder]

Facts on display? Who's says they are facts?

Now that is priceless. Almost as priceless as your 'offensive to Jews' comment.

Instead of continuously ending a post with 'priceless' or asinine comments about being bugged why don't you try replying intelligently, and to what is being said? And that includes the facts. 'Cause when you don't it only serves to highlight your lack of a credible response.

As for my posts, if you didn't display naivety/lack of awareness/idiocy then I wouldn't attempt to explain.

And you really need to stop taking things so personal. That you spout garbage is the only reason you get a reply. Nothing else.

[WillburForce]

Facts on display? Who's says they are facts?

Now that is priceless. Almost as priceless as your 'offensive to Jews' comment.

As for my posts, if you weren't so lacking on the matter I wouldn't have taken the time out to explain things, breaking down the flaws in your naivity/level 0 thinking/idiocy. And no, that isn't condescension. Your opinion is one thing but your replies fall into one of these categories. You can choose which.

And you really need to stop taking things so personal. That you spout garbage is the only reason you get a reply. Nothing else.

You win. I've read back through your posts and you are correct.

My offer still stands to storm Downing St. Or maybe we should bring down the system from within?

On a side note I've heard they're taking 1984 and Animal Farm of the syllabus at schools! Where will it all end?

[Thunder]

My offer still stands to storm Downing St. Or maybe we should bring down the system from within?

LOL!

I edit my post to note that your repeated facetious comments re paranoia and Us vs the State - instead of intelligent replies to the points at hand - does you no favours and here you are doing it again!

Truly, truly priceless!

And the fact that you've included each post with such a comment, despite barking up the wrong tree, being told as such yet you continue regardless is the greatest irony of all. Especially when you have been defending your awareness & understanding.

I guess it hasn't dawned on you that your favoured method of retort stopped being credible at about 10 years of age?

[WillburForce]

meh, I do it because it clearly grates you...

You can dress any number of things in any number of ways and make them look credible. Like your weird veiw on the state.

The BNP state facts too. As do the Tories. As do Labour. As do the Lib Dems. You gotta read between the lines.

My lines don't include Sci-Fi babble about speed cameras and ID cards bringing down democracy.

[Thunder]

BTW,

before you reply with any more vague and empty attempts at derision, containing no credible argument or facts - just LOL-esque remarks, remember that the majority of replies in this thread have sided with what I have said. So you're not replying to me but to everyone else. Bear that in mind next time you attempt to go 'priceless' or make a sarcastic comment about 'me' being right all along.

Also, FWIW, it is still the case that you have yet to reply intelligently and to what has been mentioned. Including the facts. Sarcastic replies such as "you're right, I am wrong" are just as childish as your other comments.

Choosing to mock & deride is one thing, having no credible stance when doing so undermines you completely. K, thanks.

[Thunder]

meh, I do it because it clearly grates you...

Not at all. And bear in mind that failing to reply intelligently does the greater disservice to you, not who you are replying to. It also shows you take me personally. You need a thicker skin.

FWIW, I believe you do it because you lack any degree of understanding. Your Jew comment alone illustrates this.

You can dress any number of things in any number of ways and make them look credible. Like your weird view on the state.

By all means, tell me what my "weird" view is. After all, I have made it very clear in all the posts you find too long, remember? That you think what I have said is weird just shows you to be highly suspect. Besides, as straw polls go, this thread shows that you're in the minority, yet you think it is us that are weird. Hmmm.

The BNP state facts too. As do the Tories. As do Labour. As do the Lib Dems. You gotta read between the lines.

Your comments show that you're incapable of reading what's in front of you, let alone between the lines. FWIW, everything I have stated as fact is fact and can be verified by any number of sources.

[WillburForce]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

my last post on this as its getting old.

You're comparisons to Mugabe, Htiler, Stalin et al have no relevence to Britain today. Non what so ever. Utter drivel.

A facist state couldn't exist in Britain. Look at our history for fucks sake. Are you fucking insane?

Absolute power does corrupt indeed. Luckily we live in a democracy though. And this won't change in our life times.

This "debate" started about ID cards. Which I don't really have a problem with as such, and defo not for the reasons you do.

The reason I resort to taking the piss, is because you're clearly not changing your views, views which I find funny.

But you're allowed your veiws, as am I, because we live in Britain.

[Thunder]

My lines don't include Sci-Fi babble about speed cameras and ID cards bringing down democracy.

And nor did mine.
Only an idiot would believe they did. And once again shows that your level of understanding is extremely suspect.

Only an idiot would claim that Orwell was writing 'sci fi babble'.

Only an idiot would link what we were all saying , with references to Orwell, as being 'sci fi babble'.

Only an idiot would refer to facts about speed cameras & CCTV as 'sci fi babble'.

Only an idiot would go down this path when it has been mentioned a number of times that nor Orwell nor the stance against ID cards is 'scfi fi babble'.

Only an idiot would take your stance when human history, past and present has shown the same actions over and over.

Only an idiot would take your line when even the past 10 years has shown a marked increase to the curtailment of freedom and rights - which no one seriously envisaged.

Only an idiot would take your dismissive stance when every independent (and even government run) bodies find that ID cards, CCTV & speed cameras shows them to be ineffective and a gross infringement.

And only an idiot would take your stance when the pattern is once again visible, this time with councils abusing powers to persecute and prosecute - succinctly illustrating all that has been said

And finally, only a fool would continue to retort with zero facts - just childish comments - when it has been noted that such actions only undermines them.

[Thunder]

You're comparisons to Mugabe, Htiler, Stalin et al have no relevence to Britain today. Non what so ever. Utter drivel.

A facist state couldn't exist in Britain. Look at our history for fucks sake. Are you fucking insane?

Absolute power does corrupt indeed. Luckily we live in a democracy though. And this won't change in our life times.

After all that has been said, by me and by others, with proof and the government's own words, this has got to be a level, right? Especially the line about history.


And with that, there really is nothing more. Enjoy your ignorance. Enjoy taking my posts personally. And enjoy misinterpreting what has been said - even to the point of ignoring facts.

Most of all, enjoy making asinine remarks, using phrases like "zzzz" and priceles whilst failing to reply intelligently and somehow seeing vindication in doing so.

[a500lbgorilla]

Only an idiot would feel it necessary to claim that only an idiot would X! Absolutes tend to be absolutely wrong

[WillburForce]

Only an idiot would feel it necessary to claim that only an idiot would X! Absolutes tend to be absolutely wrong

Are you absoultely sure?

[a500lbgorilla]

you're an idiot!

[will641]

Only an idiot would feel it necessary to claim that only an idiot would X! Absolutes tend to be absolutely wrong

in the graph y=x^2, y absolutely grows to +inf as x grows to +inf.

[Warpe]

Thunder, while we appreciate that your opinions are strongly held, your condescending/insulting comments do nothing to further discussion.

cruising to locksville

[will641]

Thunder, while we appreciate that your opinions are strongly held, your condescending/insulting comments do nothing to further discussion.

cruising to banhammersville. population: thunder.

[Thunder]

cruising to banhammersville. population: thunder.

[/quote]
Yeah, kinda figures.

[Taxi]

Thunder this should cheer you up - European court rules DNA database breaches human rights.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/dec/04/law-genetics

I've heard police want to be given the powers to take DNA from ppl who commit non-recordable offences - littering, speeding etc. - on the street.

[Thunder]

Cheers for that Taxi. DNA for not recordable offences eh? And some still think there's nothing wrong with a) such erosion of freedom and b) the desire for such information.

However, I am confused as to why the decision is being considered by Britain as I thought we all had to abide by the European Courts. And as it is being considered only, then that means that Smith and co will escape the ruling. Bah.

[will641]

I'm not clear on what you're saying (thunder and taxi). Are you saying fingerprinting in general is violating human rights or it's only wrong in regards to speeding and shit?