Interesting. If the turn was heads up - then I can understand him calling turn with a mediocre hand like KJ. With CO still in however, it is equally likely he is just calling to try to keep him in also with a set or quads... Am I seeing monsters under the bed?

As for the value shove - I still dont understand. Are the odds higher that a 16/9 NL100 player will call with a hand we beat OR a hand that has us crushed. Excluding hands we beat that he folds - I would think having us crushed = 75%+. No?

Thanks Griffey for taking the time to explain your thoughts... Value is a known weak area for me... playing for stacks with tpmk v tag does not compute - I would love to check/check the river