55 in BB ($6.5) 45 person turbo, ITM

[caddie444]

I am like 90% sure he will call a shove... he has called light a few times. Is a shove super standard here?

I personally would much rather have first in vigorish after no limpers instead of shoving over into the big stack when I am second in chips...



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 600/1200 Blinds 75 Ante (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG (t8568)
MP1 (t9060)
MP2 (t5040)
CO (t2983)
Button (t26139)
SB (t5545)
Hero (BB) (t10165)

Hero's M: 4.37

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 5
4 folds, Button calls t1200, 1 fold

Total pot: t3525

[drmcboy]

if you think he'll call I would just take a flop. plus you have position on an apparently terrible big stack.

[bigspenda73]

we don't have position, but we do have 8.5bbs, so it's super easy shove

[baudib]

I shove here with a ton of hands and am happy to have one as good as 55. Unless you think he's more likely to be limping AA here than K9 or suited trash.

[KoRnholio]

I just shove. He might have a hard time calling a lot of hands we are flipping against, like A6-A8s, QTo, etc. And that small chance of taking down the pot without a fight outweighs trying to take a flop out of position IMO.

[bigspenda73]

you guys are crazy if you think he's calling all that often, we have tons of FE and like 47% equity against a looser calling range.

[Sprayed]

I'm with spenda and baudib for the same reasons. I shove. Also, not only do we have FE but we might be ahead. Regardless, due to the size of the pot and the size of OP's stack, you have to get it in.

[drmcboy]

my reply is based on this:

I am like 90% sure he will call a shove

ordinarily I would agree this is a silly read and should be ignored, but after the big stack limps the BU I'm willing to walk down the path a little.

[drmcboy]

also spenda re "position", I did not mean for this hand, but overall we have a good seat.

[bigspenda73]

I think having position on his doesn't mean a whole lot at a45-man turbo FT, at least not enough to pass up on this edge, this thing will be over in 10 minutes.

[drmcboy]

We just disagree on the FE, without the FE this is pretty thin and I'd rather sit tight. Or would you still shove if he's calling 90% of the time?

[caddie444]

my reply is based on this:

I am like 90% sure he will call a shove

ordinarily I would agree this is a silly read and should be ignored, but after the big stack limps the BU I'm willing to walk down the path a little.

I probably should have elaborated a little more on this.

This isn't the first time he's limped, and I have pushed him off a few hands when he has limped (I had AQ twice) so I know his limping range is wide.

When I was deciding on what to do I thought it likely he would look me up with less than stellar cards.

When in these types of situations if I'm not too sure what to do I have always gone with the more aggressive action, so this hand I shoved.

[drmcboy]

wait wait wait

He's already limp folded a couple times and now he's calling 90%?

shove

[mcatdog]

It's not like you're going to see flops with this guy when you have 9 BB. Preflop position is the only thing that matters, so you do have position on him for this hand. In other words, the reason you have a good seat is that this guy is going to put a lot of dead money into the pot, and you have a good chance to take it from him since you act after him.

I can't imagine that this guy is calling literally 90% of the time, so I'd shove.

[mcatdog]

wait wait wait

He's already limp folded a couple times and now he's calling 90%?

shove

This is a profitable shove against anyone you've ever seen limp and fold. I think this is a case of a phantom read where the OP did shove and the button did call so now we have a read that we "know" villain will call.

[bigspenda73]

yea I'm surprised at everyone's certainty around here in $5-$10 tournaments

[caddie444]

wait wait wait

He's already limp folded a couple times and now he's calling 90%?

shove

Yes well this was 1-2 blind levels ago... I worked my stack up from about 4000 chips just shoving and facing no resistance... 2 of the times were against villain

I can't imagine that this guy is calling literally 90% of the time, so I'd shove.

What if I told you he snap called with J-4??



Dealt to caddie444 [5d 5c]
jeanandrew: folds
zulu125: folds
CDT/jdo69: folds
mls338: folds
kanish5: calls 1200
nerbonson: folds
caddie444: raises 8890 to 10090 and is all-in
kanish5: calls 8890
*** FLOP *** [Tc 6c Jh]
*** TURN *** [Tc 6c Jh] [Kh]
mls338 said, "wtf"
*** RIVER *** [Tc 6c Jh Kh] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
caddie444: shows [5d 5c] (two pair, Jacks and Fives)
kanish5: shows [Js 4s] (three of a kind, Jacks)
nerbonson said, "thats terrible"
kanish5 said, "cya"
kanish5 collected 21305 from pot


Normally this is an auto shove for me, but I thought there was a strong chance he would call since I have been pushing him around.
I was ecstatic to see he called me with that garbage, and I don't care that he won obv.

I'd still be posting this hand if I took it down


He literally typed in afterwards:

"I had to make a stand"


lol!

[bigspenda73]

I bet 90% of the time you win this hand you don't post it

[mcatdog]

I think this is a case of a phantom read where the OP did shove and the button did call so now we have a read that we "know" villain will call.

soul read

[bigspenda73]

to be honest he had 3 outs and you only had 2, so his call is obv. good

[caddie444]

I bet 90% of the time you win this hand you don't post it

Well you'd be justified in thinking this because I would be skeptical if I were you as well.

The truth is this one really did have me thinking because I really did think he would call light here. I almost did check this preflop.

I've played a lot of these that I literally don't care about the results.

I was confident he didn't have an overpair, but I was also confident he would call my shove and I would be flipping.

[gingerwizard]

Guess he god-moded his way to big stack.

Still a shove all day, night and tomorrow as well. They gotta win sometimes

[caddie444]

I think this is a case of a phantom read where the OP did shove and the button did call so now we have a read that we "know" villain will call.

soul read

Good point obv, I don't know he will call, at the time I just felt there was a strong possibility he would, I really did.

But I find villains play common at these levels. They will call with ATC out of spite. They do not like getting pushed around. I just felt that he had reached his breaking point is all.

[baudib]

I was playing a matrix STT today and the SB (who open-limped for the third straight time into my BB despite my previous two shoves) snap-called my BB shove with 53s.

[caddie444]

I was playing a matrix STT today and the SB (who open-limped for the third straight time into my BB despite my previous two shoves) snap-called my BB shove with 53s.

Also known as the "I can't take it anymore" call

[baudib]

Luckily I had K4o (which is certainly the top of my range here) and spiked a king on the flop.

I used to be cautious about abusing this but these moves are so +EV because of the tiltiness it causes. When the SB pushes 30 BBs into my BB, I fold and he shows AA, it makes me laugh and I push him on next orbit and show 72o.

[caddie444]

I push him on next orbit and show 72o.

You push 30 bb preflop with 72 off?!?

[baudib]

exaggerating slightly. actually i think i probably have.