Giving incorrect implied odds ($6.50)

[Nakamura]

How do we bet the turn here to give the wrong implied odds for a flush to draw on us?

360 chips (or a psb) seems ok if only one opp comes for the ride, but after the 1st opp calls the 2nd opp is getting good implied odds if he thinks we will both stack off.

I think the river bet is OK as opp is a calling station and can only be on busted flush draw (in which case we make nothing) or a FH (in which case we bust them).

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6.00+$0.50 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) (t1530)
UTG (t1400)
UTG+1 (t1380)
MP1 (t1470)
MP2 (t1905)
MP3 (t1440)
CO (t1465)
Button (t1440)
SB (t1470)

Hero's M: 34.00

Preflop: Hero is BB with ,
UTG calls t30, 1 fold, MP1 calls t30, MP2 calls t30, 4 folds, Hero checks

Flop: (t135) , , (4 players)
Hero bets t100, UTG calls t100, MP1 calls t100, 1 fold

Turn: (t435) (3 players)
Hero bets t360, UTG calls t360, 1 fold

River: (t1155) (2 players)
Hero bets t1040 (All-In), UTG calls t910 (All-In)

Total pot: t2975

[gingerwizard]

I like this hand, and I pot the turn. You can't worry about callers giving implied odds IMO. You need to extract and with the A on board, fast was always the way to play this.

Love the river shove, $6.50 calls with any A or J, which is who you've been taking to value town anyway

nh

[taipan168]

To calculate the implied odds that opp has you need to add the current pot to the chips that he can win if he hits his hand and you stack off.

In this case, assuming that opp has a flush draw and you will stack off with your flopped trips, the implied odds are the existing pot (795) plus the chips out of your stack that opp could win (910) = 1705 whilst the chips that opp needs to call is 360 so the implied odds are 4.7 to 1. Opp is 4.55 to 1 against to hit his flush on the river

HOWEVER this doesn't take into account the times that opp hits his hand on the river but:
a) you fill/quad up to beat him and stack him instead
b) you don't stack off
c) you have a higher flush draw and stack him instead

That's why I think your turn bet was sufficiently big to deny opp implied odds to call. Like Ginger I would probably bet a little closer to full pot, but meh.

[Nakamura]

Taipan, I was referring to the implied odds if the 2nd opp calls with a FD (2nd opp folds the turn). Do I need to worry about this at all as he would be calling off 360 to win a pot that is potentially over 4000 chips if we both call the river?

[chuckc3401]

You really don't have much control over pot odds in multiway pots. Heads up you can manipulate the pot because of the more limited options of your opponents. After the flop in your example, a half pot bet that is called gives the 3rd player correct odds of 4 to 1 to call. You bet about 3/4 pot and the 2nd players call gave the 3rd player 3.35 to 1 to call, so if he can get another 100 chips on the turn if he hits his flush and he has implied odds. A 2x the flop bet starts getting you pot commited since play is so bad at this level that once the pot gets bloated you can't fold. If you start shoving on the flop you lose value with this strong a hand. At a $6.50 buyin I think post flop I bet about 160 and shove any safe turn card as I only have about 2x the pot at that point.